Plane Crashes in Lexington

WTVQ 36 Lexington ^ | August 27, 2006 | Jon Sasser

[brothers4thID]

at 6am in Lexington there would have been no other deaprting or arriving traffic, so permission to cross may have been cursory.

[jcs1744]

It's the University of North Dakota, thank you very much! If we were talking about animal husbandry or soil sciences, then you'd be taking about North Dakota St. :-)

[Pukin Dog]

The future pilot stream will come from University Flight Programs like PURDUE, ND State and others...

I said some wouldn't like what I said. These places teach flying just fine. Unlike the military, they don't also teach thinking, nor do they focus on emergency procedures like the Military does.

Clear day, VFR, your grandma could fly most aircraft.

Bad weather, crosswinds, sick engines or hydraulics, you had better hope the dudes up front have already seen worse.

[mewzilla]

I am in upper East Tennessee. Six a.m. dawn is about breaking. Sky is getting white - not black.

Then I wonder if the other runway's lights were still on? If so, why take off from the unlit runway?

[2111USMC]

CBS now reporting wrong runway:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/27/national/main1936906.shtml

[BigBlueJon]

He declined to mention any names simply for that fact. No official release of a passenger manifest has been made public yet.

[El Gato]

ATC tapes and the flight data recorder will tell the story

The local station is reporting, via Bob Orr of CBS news, that they do just that, and it's confirmed that the wrong runway was used. "Unnamed sources" warning.

[AGreatPer]

"There is almost no air traffic at 6:00am on a Sunday."

To be sure the voice recordings are going to be interisting.

[tcrlaf]

My mistake...

I'm very familiar with Purdue's program, and got the other one wrong! OOPS..

Hey...
At least it was the right state! (Wright State???)

[don-o]

agreed. Chomping on donuts and surfing the net?

Still. the driver seems to have missed his turn. Do we have anything on how long he has flown in and out of this airport?

[Sting 11]

at 6am in Lexington there would have been no other deaprting or arriving traffic, so permission to cross may have been cursory.

Absolutely. The clearance was likely, "Comair 191, taxi to runway 22.", which would have implied a crossing of runway 26. Only had the controller added, "hold short of runway 26" would the pilot have had to stop there.

[Sting 11]

The local station is reporting, via Bob Orr of CBS news, that they do just that, and it's confirmed that the wrong runway was used. "Unnamed sources" warning.

If true, the controller is in big, big trouble. That is an incomprehensible error.

[BigBlueJon]

Comair to Conduct Media Briefing at 2:30 p.m. on Flight 5191 CINCINNATI, Aug. 27, 2006 -- Comair will conduct a media briefing at 2:30 p.m. EDT today regarding Comair Flight 5191 at the Keeneland Racetrack, Ground Level Clubhouse, in Lexington. Media may call into the briefing at 1-800-779-1256; Pass Code is 7379. Family members of customers who may have been on board Flight 5191 can contact a dedicated toll-free number for more information at 1-800-801-0088. Media with inquiries on Flight 5191 should call 404-715-2554 or 859-767-1500. The latest statements also may be accessed at news.delta.com.

[Pukin Dog]

Let me be clear on this, I am not putting down civilian flight schools. I am only pointing out that they have a different agenda. Outside the military, it is very difficult to evaluate how someone is going to respond during an emergency situation because candidates are not competing with each other, but only with the curriculum. They have a checklist of stuff you have to learn, and when you learn it, you are good to go. They don't put you through the things that determine your character during an in-flight emergency. Sure, you sim all that stuff, but tell me this, how many civilian flight schools are going to take their students to FL400, shut down the engines, roll it on its back and say, "ok, you've got it"? If they do air-starts, I doubt they shut all engines off. You just don't get the pressures that separate the good from the marginal. That is all I am saying, and I am not putting down commercial aviation.

[brothers4thID]

Thanks for breaking the story, though I wish it could have been a happier story from home.

Boys need feeding and housework needs doing. I'll check back later for updates. Prayers for you and yours.

[jcs1744]

Both have their positives and negatives. However, it is very hard to substantiate that the military teaches "thinking" and "emergency procedures," better than a reputable commercial aviation program.

[BigBlueJon]

Thanks. Take care.

[Guenevere]

I acknowledge & respect your insight on this... but from an uninformed civilian's point of view...

.. I always liked the Delta Connection commuter flights from Melbourne or Orlando to Atlanta.....and vice versa.

For some reason, they felt safer....and I knew it would take under an hour to reach my designation.

So today's news is extra sad....the poor souls probably thought...'one more short leg of this trip, and I'm home'....

Very sad.

[AGreatPer]

"The clearance was likely, "Comair 191, taxi to runway 22.", which would have implied a crossing of runway 26. Only had the controller added, "hold short of runway 26" would the pilot have had to stop there."

That makes more sense than anything that we are hearing on TV.