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Plane Crashes in Lexington
WTVQ 36 Lexington ^ | August 27, 2006 | Jon Sasser

Posted on 08/27/2006 4:38:10 AM PDT by BigBlueJon

Edited on 08/27/2006 5:02:21 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Possible plane crash in Lexington, KY. My brother works security for Lexington UK Hospital and was just called in. No news locally or on major news outlets yet. I didn't want to post anything for fear of being wrong, but he's still waiting for an official call while on stand-by.

Update from WTVQ 36 Lexington:

A plane has crashed near the Blue Grass Airport this morning. No word on details at this time. We are told it was a commercial aircraft. Versailles Road is blocked as emergency vehicles circle around the site. We have live coverage beginning at 7:20am. Stay with Action News 36 for more details.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: airplane; bluegrassairport; comair; crash; delta; dl5191; kentucky; lex; lexington; plane; planecrash; terribletragedy; wreck
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To: don-o

at 6am in Lexington there would have been no other deaprting or arriving traffic, so permission to cross may have been cursory.


441 posted on 08/27/2006 10:46:13 AM PDT by brothers4thID (Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
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To: tcrlaf

It's the University of North Dakota, thank you very much! If we were talking about animal husbandry or soil sciences, then you'd be taking about North Dakota St. :-)


442 posted on 08/27/2006 10:46:15 AM PDT by jcs1744
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To: tcrlaf
The future pilot stream will come from University Flight Programs like PURDUE, ND State and others...

I said some wouldn't like what I said. These places teach flying just fine. Unlike the military, they don't also teach thinking, nor do they focus on emergency procedures like the Military does.

Clear day, VFR, your grandma could fly most aircraft.

Bad weather, crosswinds, sick engines or hydraulics, you had better hope the dudes up front have already seen worse.

443 posted on 08/27/2006 10:47:16 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: don-o
I am in upper East Tennessee. Six a.m. dawn is about breaking. Sky is getting white - not black.

Then I wonder if the other runway's lights were still on? If so, why take off from the unlit runway?

444 posted on 08/27/2006 10:47:26 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: tcrlaf

CBS now reporting wrong runway:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/27/national/main1936906.shtml


445 posted on 08/27/2006 10:47:42 AM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: brothers4thID

He declined to mention any names simply for that fact. No official release of a passenger manifest has been made public yet.


446 posted on 08/27/2006 10:48:16 AM PDT by BigBlueJon (Superman wears Jack Bauer pajamas to bed.......Jack Bauer wears George W pajamas.)
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To: Sting 11
ATC tapes and the flight data recorder will tell the story

The local station is reporting, via Bob Orr of CBS news, that they do just that, and it's confirmed that the wrong runway was used. "Unnamed sources" warning.

447 posted on 08/27/2006 10:48:33 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Sting 11
"There is almost no air traffic at 6:00am on a Sunday."

To be sure the voice recordings are going to be interisting.

448 posted on 08/27/2006 10:48:44 AM PDT by AGreatPer (Boot Murtha)
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To: jcs1744

My mistake...

I'm very familiar with Purdue's program, and got the other one wrong! OOPS..

Hey...
At least it was the right state! (Wright State???)


449 posted on 08/27/2006 10:48:57 AM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: brothers4thID
agreed. Chomping on donuts and surfing the net?

Still. the driver seems to have missed his turn. Do we have anything on how long he has flown in and out of this airport?

450 posted on 08/27/2006 10:49:31 AM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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To: brothers4thID
at 6am in Lexington there would have been no other deaprting or arriving traffic, so permission to cross may have been cursory.

Absolutely. The clearance was likely, "Comair 191, taxi to runway 22.", which would have implied a crossing of runway 26. Only had the controller added, "hold short of runway 26" would the pilot have had to stop there.

451 posted on 08/27/2006 10:49:46 AM PDT by Sting 11
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To: El Gato
The local station is reporting, via Bob Orr of CBS news, that they do just that, and it's confirmed that the wrong runway was used. "Unnamed sources" warning.

If true, the controller is in big, big trouble. That is an incomprehensible error.

453 posted on 08/27/2006 10:52:57 AM PDT by Sting 11
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To: Sting 11
Comair to Conduct Media Briefing at 2:30 p.m. on Flight 5191 CINCINNATI, Aug. 27, 2006 -- Comair will conduct a media briefing at 2:30 p.m. EDT today regarding Comair Flight 5191 at the Keeneland Racetrack, Ground Level Clubhouse, in Lexington. Media may call into the briefing at 1-800-779-1256; Pass Code is 7379. Family members of customers who may have been on board Flight 5191 can contact a dedicated toll-free number for more information at 1-800-801-0088. Media with inquiries on Flight 5191 should call 404-715-2554 or 859-767-1500. The latest statements also may be accessed at news.delta.com.
454 posted on 08/27/2006 10:54:26 AM PDT by BigBlueJon (Superman wears Jack Bauer pajamas to bed.......Jack Bauer wears George W pajamas.)
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To: jcs1744
Let me be clear on this, I am not putting down civilian flight schools. I am only pointing out that they have a different agenda. Outside the military, it is very difficult to evaluate how someone is going to respond during an emergency situation because candidates are not competing with each other, but only with the curriculum. They have a checklist of stuff you have to learn, and when you learn it, you are good to go. They don't put you through the things that determine your character during an in-flight emergency. Sure, you sim all that stuff, but tell me this, how many civilian flight schools are going to take their students to FL400, shut down the engines, roll it on its back and say, "ok, you've got it"? If they do air-starts, I doubt they shut all engines off. You just don't get the pressures that separate the good from the marginal. That is all I am saying, and I am not putting down commercial aviation.
455 posted on 08/27/2006 10:54:57 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: BigBlueJon

Thanks for breaking the story, though I wish it could have been a happier story from home.

Boys need feeding and housework needs doing. I'll check back later for updates. Prayers for you and yours.


456 posted on 08/27/2006 10:54:59 AM PDT by brothers4thID (Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
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To: Pukin Dog

Both have their positives and negatives. However, it is very hard to substantiate that the military teaches "thinking" and "emergency procedures," better than a reputable commercial aviation program.


457 posted on 08/27/2006 10:55:26 AM PDT by jcs1744
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To: brothers4thID

Thanks. Take care.


458 posted on 08/27/2006 10:56:06 AM PDT by BigBlueJon (Superman wears Jack Bauer pajamas to bed.......Jack Bauer wears George W pajamas.)
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To: Pukin Dog
I acknowledge & respect your insight on this... but from an uninformed civilian's point of view...

.. I always liked the Delta Connection commuter flights from Melbourne or Orlando to Atlanta.....and vice versa.

For some reason, they felt safer....and I knew it would take under an hour to reach my designation.

So today's news is extra sad....the poor souls probably thought...'one more short leg of this trip, and I'm home'....

Very sad.

459 posted on 08/27/2006 10:56:32 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Sting 11
"The clearance was likely, "Comair 191, taxi to runway 22.", which would have implied a crossing of runway 26. Only had the controller added, "hold short of runway 26" would the pilot have had to stop there."

That makes more sense than anything that we are hearing on TV.

460 posted on 08/27/2006 10:57:26 AM PDT by AGreatPer (Boot Murtha)
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