Posted on 08/27/2006 9:20:23 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
(1) Jimmy Carter did get about 50% (perhaps a bare majority, perhaps not) of the Jewish vote in the 1980 presidential election. I don't recall any specific "vile" comment he made as president, but I do recall anti-Israel remarks made by his infamous brother Billy and by his ambassador to the UN, Amdrew Young. Seems like he's shooting off his mouth a lot more in his retirement years, though.
(2)You state that "Jimmy Carter was the only Dem of the century not to carry the majority of Jewish vote." Assuming you are referring to the twentieth century, I believe you are wrong. It's my understanding that Jews in the US were predominantly Republican from the time of the Civil War through the election of Harding in 1920. At about that point, the demographics of the Jewish community changed as newer immigrants from eastern Europe and their offspring became the overwhelming majority of Jews in the US, and the voting pattern swung toward the Democrats.
Cyrus Vance…confirmed to then-New York mayor Ed Koch that Carter, if reelected, would "sell out" the Jews
Jimmy Carter shortly before the 1980 election…at a March 1980 meeting with his senior political advisers, angrily snapped, "If I get back in, I`m going to f--- the Jews."
Jimmy Carter, March 1980
Baker, Carter, same mindset
2-I noted the Debs election as an exception. It's reasonable to assume that Debs (socialist), 38%, Cox (D) 19%, Harding (R) 43% (not all that bad) was a leftist, if not technically a Democrat, victory in terms of the Jewish vote. I'm not aware of 19th century voting stats. Personally, I think most of the "Jewish voter" stats are questionable even in this day of exit polls, much less 70 or 80 years ago. Clearly Jewish voters liked FDR.
BTW a favorite Carter quote from a couple years ago, that had he been reelected, he'd have accomplished a "final solution" to the mideast problem. I'll see if I can find it.
'Had I been elected to a second term, with the prestige and authority and influence and reputation I had in the region, we could have moved to a final solution,
If the quotes are accurate - and it's a big IF considering the source of the story - I would have to say that the congresswoman got a little carried away in this private discussion with the Baptist newspaper and chose her words without carefully measuring them, overdoing it to curry favor with the folks who were interviewing her.
It should be noted that Harris is running against a Republican endorsed by the White House and the GOP establishment in the current primary race. She may have felt desperation, since she'll be a goner if she loses next week.
Her remarks were stupid, and Dems will make use of them. If she meant them she's clearly a bigot, personally I'd agree with your assessment that she got carried away. But no left leaning voter will believe that.
That's politics.
The face of the democrat party today. As the President said, "you are either for us or against us."
Certainly the phrase "final solution" was a poor choice of words. Don't think deliberately he used it with the Nazi meaning, though. But if it was an honest error, he should have issued an apology.
I don't either. If he was a Republican, it would have been in the headlines.
Simple, liberals, Jewish or otherwise, don't support terrorist organizations. And the number of Jews supporting Hitler, a discusting slander, is unknown but likely minimal. The fact of the matter is that, despite the fact that non-European nations inculding the US, would have nothing to do with emigrating Jews, about 80% of Germany's Jews managed to flee the country by 1939. Unfortunately with non-European nations largely closed to them, and with palestine (palestinians were the Jews in those days, the Arabs were Arabs) closed, they couldn't flee Europe.
Orthodox Jews are generally more right wing politically. My experience is that AT LEAST 50% are Republican. US Jews are becoming more orthodox, quickly. The intermarriage rates are 3% Ortho Jews, 37% Conservative Jews, 52% Reform, 70% unaffiliated. As a result, 33% of all Jewish 6 year olds are now in orthodox day school. The Jewish demographers Horowitz & Gordon write in part in their detailed study, "Will Your Grandchildren Be Jews" (available on google): "Within three generations there will be almost no trace of young American Jews who are currently not being raised in Orthodox homes with a complete Jewish Day School education ... the less time-intensive forms of Jewish education have almost no effect on intermarriage." So the bottom line is that it may take 100 years, but eventually, Jews will be voting more right wing, because they will virtually all be Orthodox. (Whether the Republican Party will be adequately representing right-wingers 100 years from now --or for that matter, today-- is beyond my prognostication.) And in current times, every two or four years, as old conservative and reform Jews die and are replaced by orthodox Jewish births, Jews on the whole will be voting a bit more right wing.
Depends on what you mean by "support." Appeasement or pandering or inventing heretofore unrecognized "civil rights" for them can be just as helpful to terrorist organizations as other more direct aid.
I agree it's hard to say what'll happen in 100 years, but the trend is an ongoing one.
My opinion only, from a practical political standpoint attacking democrats, Jewish or otherwise, as terrorist supporters is senseless. No different than the left whining about right wing Nazis. So many issues to win on. Condemn the bigots and concentrate on the issues.
Do you suppose that if all Jews voted in the exact same way there would be a difference in the amount of political clout that they have?
Good point...
Until very recently, most Catholics voted Democrat. Now the "radical traditionalist" writers among them and others with once-Protestant affiliations are spewing neo-Nazi propaganda to drive Jewish people away from our Republican Party and to take power over it (even though the crypto-Nazis mentioned are a minority).
IMO, the push against Jewish numbers in the Republican Party will probably not be successful, because writers like Buchanan are against defense of our own country.
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