Posted on 09/01/2006 4:47:00 AM PDT by Caleb1411
Normal people can figure out the difference.
Now, go chase your tail with someone else.
Despicable.
The only way you have to "become" a pro lifer is if you have never applied one of the greatest gifts God has bestowed upon his children..... that being reason.. to the issue.
There is no way a rational thinking person can conclude that terminating an innocent human life, for reasons of pure selfishness or convience is a defensible position.
I actually remember what made me pro-life. I read Anais Nin's diaries. I was repulsed by her attitude towards her stillborn child (whose abortion was drug-induced). It was chilling. My mind reacted violently against it.
The libertarian view on abortion shows the absolute absurdity and hypocrisy of the Libertarian party.
Liberty by its very definition is "freedom from oppression".. for someone to claim their liberty gives them the right to opress... not only opress, but opress in such a heinous way as to deny the innocent its inalienable right to life.. is a bastardization and perversion of the very concept of liberty.
You cannot argue your liberty gives you the right to engage in the most heinous act of oppression there can be, that of denying the inalienable right to life to an innocent human being. That is utter hypocrisy, and intellectionally dishonest and it shows just one more time that the modern "libertarian" party does not know or care about liberty.
"Libertarians" are nothing more than spoiled children trying to codify their selfishness behing some greater ideology, sadly.
You'd better watch out, that is a "despicable off topic lie." (And don't start thinking that the FACTS as laid out in the Libertarian Party platform have anything to do with it!)
I considered myself pro-choice up until my early twenties. I became a pro-lifer the day my wife miscarried what would have been our first baby. It was a few weeks into her pregnancy. Not once did we ever refer to "losing the fetus". We lost a baby.
Nice try. I have yet to meet a Libertarian that defends the shooting of another on the grounds that it's "none of my business". In fact, just the opposite. So, in your attempt to make a point, you distort the truth. It is true that some(/most) Libertarians hold a pro-choice position. But it's also true that some don't. The latter you have turned a blind eye to.
I am a card-carrying member of the Libertarian party and I am Pro-Life. I can be both because I believe that life starts at conception. For that reason, I believe that an abortion is an assault on the life of another human being. Such acts of aggression I am vehemently against. More to the point, I believe that defending one man from the aggression of another falls squarely within the realm of "my business." That said man has not yet traversed a birth canal is irrelevant.
That is why the vast majority of libertarians never do that. But that won't keep people from lying about it and trying to high-jack the thread from it's real topic to their favorite obsession,,,hating liberty.
The thread is about people in error coming to their senses, not about personal agendas of obsessed posters.
hahah... Sorry, but if there is one topic that torpedos the "Libertarian" party claim that they stand for something other than selfishness its their stand on Abortion.
You cannot use Liberty to justify oppression, yet that is EXACTLY where the "party" stands on this issue... there is no gray area for them to hide in on this one.
I have challenged "Libertarians" many times to try to explain this obvious hypocrisy and blatant bastardization of the very concept of Liberty here and elsewhere, and none can do it. There is just no way..
There are certain inalienable rights, and among these are Life, Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness.... They are in that order for a reason, you must have life to even care about liberty, you must have liberty to PURSUE, not to achieve but to PURSUE happiness... "Libertarians" are about nothing more than their own selfish "PERSUIT" of happiness and to hell with the prior two rights if they get in the way.
You cannot scream you are a proponent of liberty and say that liberty allows you the right to deny the innocent the inalienable right to life.
The "Libertarian" party cannot be taken seriously in its claims of higher purpose, and not simply attempting to justify spoiled childish behavior until it resolves this complete hypocisy in its platform.
You cannot intellectually defend the horrific opressive act of abortion and use liberty as your crutch to do so. That's a complete afront to the very concept of liberty.
Its not about what an individual "Libertarian" would do, its about what the party platform states, and as a Party, it cannot be taken seriously in its claims for Liberty above all, when its platform justifies the most heinous act of oppression their is by arguing ones Liberty allows it.
Until the Libertarian party deals with this truth, they cannot and will not be taken seriously at any level, because this gaping intellectual hypocrisy will not go away.
When I was younger and abortion became a sacrament in the late 60's and early 70's I was always uncomfortable with talk of abortion. It made no sense to me for folks to be killing their babies.
What radicalized my views were my wife, the science and the numbers. My wife was always adamantly pro life while I took more of a "hey I'd never do it but what other folks do is up to them" attitude. My wife had it right, I had it wrong. Life begins at conception, that is the science of the matter. It is indisputable. And finally the sheer numbers of human beings being killed for matters of convenience was simply appalling to me.
Later in life, an OB-GYN suggested to my daughter that she "selectively reduce" my granddaughter because she was smaller than her two brothers keeping her company in the womb which simply pushed me ever further into the pro life camp.
For many years now we've attended the March for Life which is like being reborn into the pro life movement once again. A wonderful experience to see hundreds of thousands of young teenagers already knowing what it took me considerably longer to come to know, killing babies is wrong.
No one introduced anything to do with getting any political party taken seriously.
One poster, and now you, have hijacked the thread.
The thread is about murder. Leave your agenda at the door.
I never stated that all Libertarians are pro-abortion, I merely (and correctly) stated that many are and unfortunately many Republicans are as well. However, Free Republic is a conservative forum, not a Libertarian or even a Republican forum. And I am aware of few if any genuine conservatives who are pro-abortion.
In my previous comments, I was simply trying to demonstrate that to say that you are "pro-choice" is really no different than saying you are pro-abortion. And I am of the belief that abortion is murder and as such is no different that shooting someone with a gun in cold blood.
Agenda? Free flowing discussions and now its an agenda? Wow, someones paranoid.
Off topic agenda. Hijacked thread.
Yea, free flowing discussions are thread hijacking.... Ok, whatever buddy.
Outstanding article by Fred Barnes. Bookmarked!
That has to be the most horrible thing I have ever seen. How can a doctor do that? How can a woman do that to herself and her child. I'm sick.
I fully flipped to pro life when I had to wrap a 5 month old dead fetus for photographing.
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