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To: retMD
I wonder if we are overlooking one of the key differences between "police style" approaches and "military style" approaches

WOW.. We are dealing with people who are willing to die for a cause. They are willing to do so because they believe that giving their life will result in their instant admitance to heaven.... 72 virgins and all.

Cops deter crime because criminals fear being caught and punished. Cops are trained to find people who committ crimes and then have prosecutors file charges.

We tried that after the first World Trade Center bombing .... we know how well that worked.

Try to control an islamic insurgency with cops will not work unless the cops are infact a police state. Regular cops are only trained to solve crimes. They prevent them by their presence. They catch criminals and punish them. That only works if you are alive to be punished.

But a police state on the other hand can and will work. And if that is what you want the solution is simple. Why don't you reccomend that we bring SADDAM back. He ran a hell of a police state. Democrats say going into Iraq was wrong. So just restore Saddam and get it over with.

Military are trained to kill the enemy before they kill us. Cops are trained to catch the enemy after they kill us. And you prefer the latter... figures or you want a police state.

Police states worked well for Hitler, Stalin, and Saddam. One does not have to committ a crime in a police state.. the cops just have to think you might. That sounds like your kind of cop.

Cops prevent crime because criminals fear being caught and punished. Anything else is a police state. And in a police state... there is no more freedom than under Saddam. Why don't you call your solution what is is... the Saddam solution. Perhaps we could just bring Saddam back. I understand he would like the job. And if going into Iraq was a mistake, why don't you just call for his restoration.

POLICE STATES ARE GREAT!!! JUST ASK SADDAM!!!


52 posted on 09/01/2006 12:47:06 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator

I think you are misunderstanding. I'll ignore for now your assumptions as to what I think, and discuss your statement "Military are trained to kill the enemy before they kill us."

I agree that's what the military are, on the whole, trained to do, and am questioning whether that means they are also less trained than they might be at counterinsurgency.

If you look at my original post, I gave three possibilities: police with military weapons, military that have more training in thinking like police, or more Special Forces. I didn't see anywhere that I suggested bringing back Saddam. Like it or not, this isn't a situation for "kill them all," it's a situation for getting the majority of Iraqis to have confidence in us.


73 posted on 09/01/2006 6:36:13 PM PDT by retMD
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