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U.S. NO LONGER REPRESENTS JUSTICE - RULES FOR LITTLE PEOPLE ONLY
Vanity | 3 September 2006

Posted on 09/03/2006 5:23:24 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

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To: ClaireSolt

recycled 1960's hippie whine.


81 posted on 09/03/2006 7:02:57 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: jwparkerjr
Look at how you're treated if you dare say anything against the public school system!

Exactly. Checked with a school system (female HR lady) via e-mail about a position they have open. Asked for a phone number so I could inquire about the position. E-mail response: Fill out an application either on paper or online. We'll talk to you then. Sent an e-mail. "I don't recall asking for an application or to apply. Just asked for a phone number to talk to someone about what this job entails." Was referred to a man (tough guy) and his phone number. He answered my questions. Job was to teach kids who ended up in trouble and were in a special classroom. Job description didn't mention that. I hate it when people think I make things up.

82 posted on 09/03/2006 7:03:02 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Amos the Prophet
I have a grandson who is in jail right now being cajoled into accepting a plea agreement. He is a 21-year-old Marine who after his tour in Iraq had changed remarkably. He went AWOL and then got into trouble because of trying to keep away from the Marines. What he did was wrong, in every sense of the word, but the treatment he has gotten from the system is horrid. I am not making excuses for him, he has serious issues and he's right where he belongs at this point, but he needs help and that's the last thing they are interested in providing for him.
83 posted on 09/03/2006 7:05:23 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Ha ha ha. Photographers who pay kickbacks to school systems in order to get the work price themselves out of the market but get orders anyway because students are told they'll get their pictures made with that photographer or they won't be in the year book or things similar to that. Tell me more about people having choices...

Well you could choose not to buy the goofy book.

I would think that with the advances made in digital photography, it would be reasonable for students to supply their own picture in a digital format. The whole mess with kick backs can be solved with some pressure on the school board, you are right there is plenty of corruption in the world.

84 posted on 09/03/2006 7:06:00 AM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: gas0linealley
I wrote to him and opined that we already had enough laws…

See post #80.
Wouldn’t it be nice if our “lawmakers” would repeal some old laws before making new ones?

85 posted on 09/03/2006 7:08:13 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: R. Scott

That is absolutely true; if you are wealthy you can buy your way to innocence with demigod lawyers and experts, if you are poor, you do what you can.


86 posted on 09/03/2006 7:09:47 AM PDT by Sender (What was the best thing before sliced bread?)
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To: Sender
…if you are poor, you do what you can.

In my case, that consists of trying not to break any laws, ordinances or regulations. I might still be nailed with mistaken identity or by being in the wrong place at the wrong time - but if that happens I can always write another book about it.

87 posted on 09/03/2006 7:12:48 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: philetus
I'm a retired Air Force NCO, and I don't regard myself as one of the "little people". I'm a American and ultimately responsible for my own well being.

There has always been corruption (The Mississippi Bubble and Robber Barons readily come to mind.) and, pending the Second Coming, there will always be corruption. At every level, we are the richest society in the history of the world in material terms. It is much more concern to me that our crypto-socialist system subsidizes poverty and, thus, creates more of it.
88 posted on 09/03/2006 7:29:45 AM PDT by ekwd (Murphy's Law Has Not Been Repealed)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; puroresu

I agree with your rant.
puroresu, I'd be interested in seeing your comments.

Personally, I think things are going to get (much) worse before they get better.

"Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites--in proportion as their love of justice is above their rapacity;--in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption;--in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon the will and appetite is placed somewhere: and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters."
-- Edmund Burke


89 posted on 09/03/2006 7:47:56 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: verity
We are a Nation of Laws - not Justice.

SO true. We have so many laws it is virtually impossible to NOT violate some law, regulation, code or whatnot.

Scrutiny is all that is required to make 'criminals' of us all.

Sadly, this makes those who intend to be law abiding easy prey for enforcement, while the enforcers seem to often be less inclined to go after those who are more dangerous.

Additionally, the tactics used against those who are dangerous, namely no knock stacks and dynamic entry, Military-style CQB, right down to the equipment are no longer reserved for those likely to be a threat to the lives of the arresting officers, but are used on the minor infractors as well. Often the results can be tragic, the force level patently out of proportion to the danger imposed on society by the alleged offense. (Not to mention myriad cases of knocking in the wrong door.)

In the meantime, pedophiles, terrorists, and other dangerous sickos are getting a pass out some twisted sense of 'political correctness'

What was once good, right and honorable has been villified, what was once villified accepted, not just in our laws, but in the culture they reflect.

I'm not painting all laws nor law enforcement with the broad brush here, just hitting the high points in the horrorshow. There are still a few out there who are good and honorable folks, but the way things are you can be put in jail for longer for running over an owl eating carrion in the road than child molestation.

...just the view from the cheap seats.

90 posted on 09/03/2006 7:50:10 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
If your overall theme is post modernism in post-constitutional America, where the Rule of Law has resulted in government, by the lawyers, of the lawyers and for the lawyers, and that American civilization is setting up the perfect climate for another Huey Long, you have a good point. The Gangster Trial Lawyer John Edwards is prepared with the message of "Two Americas."

If, however, your point is an appeal to class envy, setting up the present "Establishment" as a unifying object of hatred for a mass movement's eventual promise of a "level playing field," than I'm afraid I will have to oppose you.

I suspect your message was aimed more at the former than the latter, and I would not underestimate the danger not after a major financial collapse (when people are too busy surviving to enjoy the luxury of organizing movements) but a degree or two above the present water temperature.

But, by then the frog will have adjusted to that heat as well, and will still refrain of jumping out of the pot before it comes to a boil.

Sounds like you might be in Joseph Sobran's camp. He summed it up pretty well last year with his "How Tyranny Came to America" analysis of how the role of the Constitution has taken on the same power and symbolism of the British Monarchy.

Everyone should read it, and understand how dark the problem and simple the solution.

91 posted on 09/03/2006 7:57:41 AM PDT by Prospero (Ad Astra!)
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To: R. Scott; All
Way back in about 1964 I wrote a high school term paper that required using the local courthouse law library. The library consisted of a thin notebook of local ordinances, and thin book of State law, a few volumes of Federal law and a few volumes of the Code of the Federal Register. The whole deal took up only a couple feet of shelf space.

I recently checked the local public library for a law. City ordinances were contained in 5 thick volumes. State law took up several feet of space and the Federal laws and regulations (only partially complete) took up several shelves. The US Tax Code was not included.

92 posted on 09/03/2006 7:58:13 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
There are choices. In our area, you do not have to pay for the sitting or photo from the school selected photographer to have the picture in the yearbook. If pictures are wanted for personal use, you pay for them, but no one is required to do so to have it appear in the yearbook. In fact, if you don't like the way the first one turned out, you can even have it re-done by the same photographer at no cost. Still, you're not required to buy any of them or pay for the service. Secondly, as far as I know, no one is forced to buy the yearbook in the first place.
93 posted on 09/03/2006 8:00:48 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: ekwd
Piffle

Not really... If you were a government employee, with access to classified information, and you stole and destroyed documents relating to national security, how much jail time do you think you'd get? Of if you were to purjur yourself before a grand jury? Or were to accept bribes.

Something that's still got me amazed is how "The Torch" managed to stay out of jail after someone was convicted of bribing him! I mean, come on! This guy is in jail for bribing The Torch, but the Torch didn't get in trouble (other than having to give up his seat to Lautenberg)! Amazing! And you think if you were to accept anything illegal, you wouldn't be going to jail?

Mark

94 posted on 09/03/2006 8:16:37 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Semper911
(...and will probably go on for 500 posts.)

If we all pull together and work hard!

Mark

95 posted on 09/03/2006 8:17:30 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: R. Scott

"See post #80.
Wouldn’t it be nice if our “lawmakers” would repeal some old laws before making new ones?"

I doubt that our founding fathers envisioned the system we now have...an elite ruling class with nothing better to do than to make ever more onerous laws for the rest of us to be subjected to. In fact, wasn't that exactly what they had rebelled against?


96 posted on 09/03/2006 8:22:20 AM PDT by gas0linealley
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To: Semper911

LOL - my first thoughts as well.


97 posted on 09/03/2006 8:30:09 AM PDT by Scarchin (+)
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To: Amos the Prophet
States Attorneys have no interest in determining the truth of a charge filed by state or local police. They pursue the case purely as a matter of adjudication. If the defendant does not have the resources to protect his rights he is found guilty.

A lawyer I know was arguing a death penalty case in front of the MO Supreme Court. The case was to retry a man who was in jail when another inmate was murdered, and he was charged and convicted on the murder, based on an eyewitness' testimony (another convict). New evidence and a recanting witness showed that the convict could not have killed the inmate, but the state was arguing against a new trial. The state prosecutor actually said that the convict had gotten a fair trial the fist time around, and his innocence should have no bearing on whether he received a new trial or not.

Thankfully, the court held that he did deserve a new trial, and he was aquitted of the murder. At one point, he was within one hour of the execution.

Mark

98 posted on 09/03/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Prospero

I clicked your link and read Sobran's essay. Excellent, and everyone should read it.

The only problem is that the solution isn't simple at all. It will take (IMHO) a number of things happening at once to reverse course. People are entrenched in power - how many gov't "employees" are not elected, but rather appointed or hired for life? Just for starters.


99 posted on 09/03/2006 8:33:43 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: gas0linealley; Prospero

Read Sobran's article Propero linked in his comment #91, if you haven't already.


100 posted on 09/03/2006 8:35:34 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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