Posted on 09/03/2006 1:39:29 PM PDT by John Carey
Please excepy my FR public apology , Ithought you were saying the confed s would have helped the KKK , again I apologize .
"The ghosts of the Union Army should have awoken and slayed them all.
The ghosts of the Confederate Army would have woken up and helped them. The KKK is the total anti-thesis of what the Southern way was about."
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i'm glad to hear that.
i have read that general nathan bedford forrest was a founding member of the kkk.
on the other hand, i don't think that Lee and Longstreet would have supported the kkk.
it's good to hear sons of confederates beginning to denounce the kkk.
i could never understand how a group with such stupid-looking outfits could ever survive so long.
The Brits were quite content with slavery in the colonies right up until the revolution when they declared them free because they needed an instant fighting force.
Interestingly enough the Brits made blacks a lot of promises that they reneged on. They promised that they would never be returned to slavery and that they would get them out of America. At the end of the war the Brits only took some 300 blacks to Britain with them. Some 3000 headed for Canada on their own and most who boarded British ships ended up being returned to slavery in the Caribbean.
I've always been a little irked that the Brits get a pass when it comes to blame for slavery.
Unlikely, since confederate army vets were the ones that originally founded the KKK, and all their leaders were formerly high-ranking Confederate army officers. Indeed, their nickname was "ghosts of the confederate dead". The ghosts of the confederate army would be as likely to slay the KKK as the ghost of Ray Kroc destroying a McDonald's.
man, that guy was so defensive that he was just waiting for someone to criticize the confeds!
It would be nice to meet them on the battleground with live rounds.
I'd say they are a little too late. Their side lost.
"Unlikely, since confederate army vets were the ones that originally founded the KKK, and all their leaders were formerly high-ranking Confederate army officers."
And whose version of history have you been reading? Try again.
"man, that guy was so defensive that he was just waiting for someone to criticize the confeds! "
The problem is I wasn't critizing the Confederates. And apparently some (not you) can't read for comprehension on here.
upper-class, slave-owning officers and working-class troops may have had very different ideas of what they were fighting for, just as would have been the case in the British army at the time. i think the slavery issue was probably the trigger issue that led to most of the southern states seceding (and Lincoln's troop call-up triggered some more), but i suspect most of the soldiers were fighting for what they perceived as their country rather than for slavery per se.
slavery was probably the most important cause of the war, but it doesn't necessarily follow that the average soldier was thinking about defending slavery when he fought for the south.
similarly, the fact that the kkk was founded by confed. officers doesn't mean that all confed. officers supported the kkk. maybe they did--i sure don't know--but i doubt if we have any real evidence one way or the other.
another tricky thing about the kkk and the confederacy: i think the kkk has been against Catholics (and i think immigrants) at various times in its history. on the other hand,there were plenty of Irish Catholics who fought on the confederate side.
i tend to agree with you that the ghosts of the confed army wouldn't have risen up against the kkk, but then the ghosts of the union army probably wouldn't have done it either.
very hard to get good poll data on the attitudes of those ghosts!
Guaranteed by the lives of the hallowed dead from that site and others around the world!
I posted a cool picture with it.
Counter protesters of the 37th Texas Cavalry, Bob Harrison, left, Tim McCown, center and Helaine Hainson stand with heads bowed as Members of the World Order of the Ku Klux Klan, rear, hold a protest rally at the Gettysburg National Military Park Saturday, Sept. 2, 2006 in Gettysburg, Pa. The 37th Texas Cavalry conducted a Confederate reenactor military protest against the KKK at the event. (AP Photo/Daniel Shanken)
And the Confederacy had no qualms about having a Jewish portrait on the 2 Dollar bill.
I met Bob Harrison 4 years ago in Charleston.
Great Guy!
May I remind you, Nathan Bedford Forrest also DISBANDED the KKK, because he didn't agree with their tactics......
So I guess you are WRONG!
>>>i have read that general nathan bedford forrest was a founding member of the kkk. <<<
It is true that Lt. General Forrest founded the original KKK; but that was a political group organized to help promote justice for the South. Forrest ordered the disbandment of the original KKK in 1869. The modern day KKK, was an offshoot of a later "Klan" formed in 1915. It is a divisive, race-baiting organization -- similar to the NAACP, the SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) and the Rainbow Coalition (Jesse Jackson's group) -- and has no ideological ties to the original (Forrest) KKK.
I don't see why they have a constitutional right to conduct their rally on a national battlefield. Whoever permitted that ought to be fired.
James Crowe or Jim Crow as he is also known helped write the laws that the democrats used to suppress blacks until the 1960's.
It was a barely hidden fact that the KKK was an instrument of the democrats.
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