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Schwarzenegger says he will veto universal health care measure
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 9/5/06 | AP

Posted on 09/05/2006 1:16:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: ElkGroveDan
I'm here with ya! I'm watching this play out from minute to minute... Government by vain celebrity whim, limited only by swooners at the alter to the CULT OF CELEBRITY!!!

THIS IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY, people! NOT AT ALL!!! We are losing our way by leaps and bounds!!!

41 posted on 09/05/2006 3:02:02 PM PDT by SierraWasp (With government as your savior from disaster, it must first be your master!!!)
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To: goldstategop; FairOpinion

FO never said that and never would.


42 posted on 09/05/2006 3:02:08 PM PDT by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: NormsRevenge

Bravo! Arnold! You are precisely right.


43 posted on 09/05/2006 3:04:10 PM PDT by Alia
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To: NormsRevenge
"there would have been a transparent system"

Yes bich! There was a "transparent" system in the USSR, too!!!

44 posted on 09/05/2006 3:04:29 PM PDT by SierraWasp (With government as your savior from disaster, it must first be your master!!!)
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To: This Just In

Your experience exactly mirrors nearly everyone I know who has Kaiser. The only one I know who had a great experience with Kaiser was a San Francisco Firefighter. Ah, a union member.


45 posted on 09/05/2006 3:06:04 PM PDT by Alia
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To: NormsRevenge; FairOpinion
"Schwarzenegger's Democratic opponent, state Treasurer Phil Angelides, also opposed the measure."

Now this here ain't what I remember you screamin at us night and day like some kind of banshee, FairyOpinion!!! Were you perhaps lyin to us somemore???

46 posted on 09/05/2006 3:08:06 PM PDT by SierraWasp (With government as your savior from disaster, it must first be your master!!!)
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To: Jack Black

Whether or not it's "socialism", Fur Shur it's theft on a grand scale. No doubt some interesting things would happen when the California tax collectors went to Uncle Sam to tap federal employee's health benefits.


47 posted on 09/05/2006 3:09:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: defenderSD
saw a news article about the global warming bill that said the governor has the power to suspend those regulations if the state's economy is damaged

Not exactly. According to the bill, he can adjust the deadlines for implementation for a period not exceeding one year... in the event of extraordinary circumstances, catastrophic events, or threat of significant economic harm.

The ability to suspend the regulations offers little appeasement to most businesses (who strenuously oppose this law). Think about the major manufacturing firm that completely revamps its painting process, making huge new investments, to try to comply with the arbitrary CO2 limits established by the law. If it doesn't reduce emissions enough, it spends more money through the cap-and-trade scheme to buy carbon credits. Over a period of years, it has reported poorer and poorer earnings and laid off employees in the process. At what point is a Governor going to say "this is causing significant economic harm"?

Or the ABC Cement Co., who views the law and concludes that it cannot continue to do business in California and decides to do expand in Nevada instead of California or--worse yet--closes down it's California operation and relocates. Does this qualify as a catastrophic event? Nope.

Why wait to see the impact? Mandating arbitrary caps, implementing more onerous regulation, and imposing new financial investment requirements on business to fight windmills based on junk-science is BAD POLICY on its face!

This is TERRIBLE law. Period!

48 posted on 09/05/2006 3:11:30 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Jeff Chandler; ElkGroveDan; Carry_Okie
Oh! That's priceless!!!

For everything else there was Gray Davis!!!

49 posted on 09/05/2006 3:11:45 PM PDT by SierraWasp (With government as your savior from disaster, it must first be your master!!!)
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To: Gritty

Keep 'em comin!!! This one's perfect, too!!!


50 posted on 09/05/2006 3:14:50 PM PDT by SierraWasp (With government as your savior from disaster, it must first be your master!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

We'll take what we can get.

I suspect the Global Warming thing is so complicated it can't be implemented -- Arnold tossed it out as a rose to the Socialists we Californians keep electing.


51 posted on 09/05/2006 3:20:07 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor)
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To: NormsRevenge; ElkGroveDan; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie

I forgot to ping you to the above.


52 posted on 09/05/2006 3:20:31 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge

No one is perfect, and I don't agree with him all the time, but Gov S has made some rather bold moves that have allowed me to remain in CA on the hope that someday, somehow, rational thought can be restored in this wonderful golden land I call home. This is the kind of law that, if passed, would cause a mass exodus of people and businesses. The state would find itself in the kind of financial ruin that was narrowly averted by the recall of the former socialist in chief. Yet, somehow, someway these idiots down south keep sending up these pie-in-the-sky bills without any actual knowledge as to how governmental economies work or what the people of this state really want and need.


53 posted on 09/05/2006 3:22:15 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: goldstategop; This Just In
Well, my FRiends, there's no one "on the fence" about Kaiser Permanente! People either love it, or they hate it! There is NO ONE in the middle, or "moderate" about that subject! goldstate, on a employer group basis your statement about the "middle class" is largely correct from some perspectives, but from an individual, or one family basis, you are incorrect and quite substantially so!!!

I sell Kaiser and many other health plans to Employers, Individuals and Families. (along with numerous other HMO's/PPO's and Health Insurers.

54 posted on 09/05/2006 3:24:13 PM PDT by SierraWasp (With government as your savior from disaster, it must first be your master!!!)
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To: BlueNgold

Don't you think the Globular Warming Bizzaro Baloney will impact CA's economic picture just as much? Seriously!!!


55 posted on 09/05/2006 3:30:06 PM PDT by SierraWasp (With government as your savior from disaster, it must first be your master!!!)
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To: calcowgirl
I forgot to ping you to the above.

That's the third time this week. At this point, there's no avoiding it coming up in your next performance review.

56 posted on 09/05/2006 3:30:52 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The California Republican Party needs Arnold the way a drowning man needs an anvil.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I'm glad he is vetoing SB840. However, I suspect we will see him support more socialist healthcare after the election, however. Maybe not as bad as Kuehl's bill, but he has said that he will make healthcare a priority if he is reelected.
2004: "That’s one of the issues I want to address next, is how do we provide health care for all the people in California." (Panetta Institute Interview, Nov. 18, 2004)

• 2004: "We have too many people that are uninsured in this state. We have to really address this once and for all." (Panetta Institute Interview, Nov. 18, 2004)

• 2006: His goal if he wins this fall is "to create health care for every citizen" (KQED, May 31, 2006)


57 posted on 09/05/2006 3:32:51 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Where there are no cost controls at all now, and enormous administrative overhead and profit for insurance companies...

...we intend to redirect that money where it belongs - to trial lawyers, state government bureaucrats, and our own campaign coffers." ;)

58 posted on 09/05/2006 3:35:30 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: ElkGroveDan

ROFL!


59 posted on 09/05/2006 3:36:40 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: SierraWasp

Are you serious?
Do you have any idea of the cost to business and inflation that would be generated by socialized health care?
I might have found the Global Warming bit a tad silly, but the overall cost impact is going to be pretty low. This bill would be the kind of catastrophic socialist experiment that is putting entire countries in economic ruin. The other problem is that it becomes an entitlement, which as we know, is just about impossible to revoke once instituted. This is a now and forever expense.


60 posted on 09/05/2006 3:38:44 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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