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Mini Guns Put ATF On Alert
WCBS-TV (New York) ^ | 9/6/06 | Ti-Hua Chang

Posted on 09/08/2006 9:34:34 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

Federal ATF Agents issued an officer safety advisory on what is called the world’s smallest gun after a CBS 2 inquiry. The Alert has been issued both in the New York and nationally to all Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives criminal investigators and will be passed on to other federal agencies.

ATF has confiscated thousands of disguised or miniature guns -- from flashlights that shoot a .25 caliber bullet to pen guns.

The latest miniature gun that is alarming ATF agents is the SwissMiniGun. It’s extremely small -- just over two inches long. It comes with tiny bullets designed especially for the weapon that can penetrate skin. Even in its holster, this gun is so small that law enforcement experts say it could pass for a keychain ornament.

According to William McMahon, special agent in charge of the New York ATF office, that makes it the perfect stealth weapon for a variety of criminals.

“A terrorist, a criminal trying to sneak into bank, all kinds of criminals. I can see no legitimate reason to own this gun. It seems to be just made to be hidden,” McMahon said.

As its name indicates, the SwissMiniGun is manufactured in Switzerland. CBS 2 News reached the company's CEO, Paul Erard, by phone.

He said the gun is a miniature, detailed copy of the Colt Python revolver. He sells it for roughly $5,000 to gun collectors (though he added that most of his guns are encrusted with diamonds and gold, so they can cost $30,000).

He said he has sold 50 miniguns, all to only one area of the world. “Contacts in the Middle East asked me to make a miniature of Colt Python," said Erard.

Erard refused to say which Middle-Eastern countries. His reaction when asked if terrorists might use it? At first he laughed and said, “ Absolutely ridiculous.”

When CBS 2 got him to admit his gun shoots bullets using gunpowder, he then changed his tone. “Of course I am concerned as manufacturers of air guns are concerned. This is not a toy,” said Erard.

A national police organization notes that unlike air guns, SwissMiniGuns can be concealed and shoot with gunpowder bullets that travel at 400-plus feet per second. These bullets could be aimed at the face.

Joe Occhipinti of the National Police Defense Foundation was alarmed by the SwissMiniGun’s potential uses, noting, “In a routine stop, a guy could certainly make a joke, and 'Say see my little gun here?' point at the officer and shoot. It looks like a key chain and [an officer’s] guard would be down."

Occhipinti added, "I could easily see a passenger attempting to go to an airport take out a key chain put in with coins in the little basket. No one would detect that."

SwissMiniGuns cannot be legally imported into the United States because the barrel is less than three inches long -- in this case, a lot less.

No SwissMiniGuns have been recovered here yet, but McMahon admits, “If it came into the United States, it would be a concern.”

This alert is the result of a single officer in Maryland seeing the gun on a Web site and alerting other officers, including the National Police Defense Foundation.

CBS 2 News learned of the weapon and passed word on to the ATF. It is an example of officers using the Internet the way some terrorists do but in this case, to combat them.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; bang; banglist; bs; swissminigun
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1 posted on 09/08/2006 9:34:35 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim
I was certainly fooled by the title of the story. I thought it was about THIS minigun:
2 posted on 09/08/2006 9:35:36 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Can you get a trigger lock for that? (Can you even pull the trigger?)


3 posted on 09/08/2006 9:37:04 AM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Whoever wrote this alarmist piece of claptrap is an idiot. Not even an idiot of the highest order but one of the lower level non-exceptional idiots.

The seller had it right. Absolutely ridiculous. Had the terrorists on 9-11 used these we'd have never had a problem.


4 posted on 09/08/2006 9:37:58 AM PDT by Bogey78O (<thinking of new tagline>)
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To: kiriath_jearim

--looks like it could probably develop an ounce or two of muzzle energy--


5 posted on 09/08/2006 9:39:00 AM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: kiriath_jearim

People have been making miniature pistols for a long, long time. Check this site out...it's very interesting:

http://pinfire.homestead.com/MiniaturePinfires.html


6 posted on 09/08/2006 9:40:19 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: July 4th

"...you could put an EYE out..."


7 posted on 09/08/2006 9:40:33 AM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
That's not a knife...


8 posted on 09/08/2006 9:41:15 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Muslims - The "flesh eating bacteria" version of humans.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
These bullets could be aimed at the face.

Wow! What sort of technology makes that possible?!
9 posted on 09/08/2006 9:42:37 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I can't believe anyone with half a brain is wasting their time worrying about this.


10 posted on 09/08/2006 9:42:47 AM PDT by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: kiriath_jearim

di-hydrogen monoxide alert!


This has all the inteligence of a mental midget mother who does not allow her sons to play with guns because she wants them to be more feminine.


11 posted on 09/08/2006 9:44:54 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: kiriath_jearim
http://www.horstheld.com/default.htm

Above URL goes to an Antique Handgun site.
They have so many types of handguns with photos and information.

Some of my favorites are the harmonica gun and a turret gun.
12 posted on 09/08/2006 9:45:35 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: kiriath_jearim

That's not a gun.

This is a gun.


13 posted on 09/08/2006 9:45:37 AM PDT by magslinger (If at first you don't succeed, squeeze, squeeze again.)
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To: MarineBrat

Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit. When your assailant lunges at you with a passion fruit...


14 posted on 09/08/2006 9:45:58 AM PDT by oncebitten
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To: rellimpank

About 10 ounces of muzzle energy. It fires a 2 grain projectile at 400 feet per second.

The bullet is about the size of a single piece of #7-1/2 shot.



15 posted on 09/08/2006 9:47:43 AM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: kiriath_jearim

I posted a thread on this gun earlier this summer, but I can no longer find it.


16 posted on 09/08/2006 9:48:03 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kiriath_jearim

How does one shoot that thing? You'd need tweezers to pull the trigger.

I wouldn't shoot a mouse with that thing, it would just make it mad.

It looks like it would shoot one piece of the smallest birdshot. I can't imagine it would break the skin at more than 5 feet.

On top of that, it's $5000. What a non story.


17 posted on 09/08/2006 9:50:41 AM PDT by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Never bring a minigun to a gunfight


18 posted on 09/08/2006 9:52:07 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: kiriath_jearim

It could blow your head clean off, if you’re a gnat.


19 posted on 09/08/2006 9:54:39 AM PDT by dighton
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To: kiriath_jearim
First they banned guns because they were too big, now they're going to ban them because they're too small. What's "just right" according to the Goldilocks ATF?

“Contacts in the Middle East asked me to make a miniature of Colt Python,"

My bet is ultra-rich princes looking for an exclusive toy.

20 posted on 09/08/2006 9:55:01 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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