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ABC Blames Bush, 'Ignorant' Americans for 'Islamophobia'
ABC News/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 09/09/2006 6:40:07 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

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To: governsleastgovernsbest

It is also easy to misunderstand, until you get the drift of someone's writing style.

Irony and Sarcasm can be missed in discussions like these on the Internet, one of the main reason there are the smiley face icons, sarcasm tabs, and so on.

Satire is very difficult to convey online, especially when doing satire on liberals, since their outlandish behavior is not much different than any satire someone could think up. I have always subscribed to the theory that for satire to be effective, there must be a delta from reality. Otherwise you are just talking current events...


121 posted on 09/09/2006 10:14:35 PM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: harrowup
"Your reply makes no sense; restate or move along."

Your original post:

"We just don't happen to believe that Islamo-fascists, Kahane-Kach, Kansas Kook Preacher and the Red-Brigade are acceptable spokesmen for a religion they have chosen to degrade."

This would seem to indicate you believe that Islam is being "degraded". If you meant something else, you should strive to be more clear.

How about this: post 34 made no sense. Restate or move along.
122 posted on 09/09/2006 10:16:04 PM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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To: Peisistratus

You still haven't stated what you mean and one would suspect that is because you know your bigotry will betray you. Good luck with that.


123 posted on 09/09/2006 10:22:39 PM PDT by harrowup (I had a NASsCAR once; better'n the one now, but not the bestest.)
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To: harrowup
"You still haven't stated what you mean"

I thought I was quite clear. You believe that Islam actually is a "religion of peace" that has been hijacked by extremists.

That about sum it up?

"and one would suspect that is because you know your bigotry will betray you."

I don't care for people who want me and mine dead or subjugated. Go right on siding with the Left. We can read about Islam from its source documents. It is an evil ideology masquerading as a "religion".
124 posted on 09/09/2006 10:26:05 PM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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To: Peisistratus
You believe that Islam actually is a "religion of peace" that has been hijacked by extremists.

Well you see now. You keep telling me what I mean when you are afraid to say what you mean. So, I'll take the time to flesh it out for you. Not that it will mean anything to an irrational bigot, but here you go.

You are wrong. I don't believe any religion is a peaceful endeavor.

All religions have elements that misapply the words written. All religions have an arrogant assertion of legitimacy. All religions have at one time or another been exceptionally brutal to other faiths. It seems to be a human fraility. Right now, you are only fixated on current events even though you justify your bigotry by ignoring 5000 years of human history and focusing on Mohammed only.

Jews killing Jews is bad. Christians killing Christians is bad. Musllims killing Muslims is bad. Shintoists killing Shintoists is bad.

The vast majority of Jews, Christians, Musllims and Shintoists are kind and considerate of others. But within these groups are crazy bastards who must be exposed and destroyed so that the majority can live a relatively peaceful life.

You are making a serious error to think that islamo-fascists only hate Jews. They hate everyone. Jews just happen to live on the same block.

We won't ever heal the divide by condemnation of an entire culture because short of massive biological warfare that would be impossible. We should only concentrate on the overtly hostile elements within every cultural and religious associations and eliminate them and let every one else alone. Get rid of the islamo-fascists, kahane kach krazies, kansas preacher loons and red brigade lunatics and we'll all be in a safer place...

Now, are there more islamo-fascists than kahane kachs? Yep. That is the way society works. The very poor and uneducated always rise up to beat up and burn down the guy on the hill. There are just a great many of the poor dumb bastards and when their zealots finally meet their fate by death or judicial removal then we'll just have to accept the fact that some other religion will sprout up with a new grievance and start killing the innocent.

Some will argue that the best chance for success against the forces of islamo-terrorism is to allow the blood bath between Suni and Shite to escalate and decimate them. Well, maybe that might help but it wouldn't stop the crazies from trying to kill everyone else.

Let's concentrate on eliminating all terrorists and stop speaking ill of an entire faith. It is wrong. It is evil. It is bigotry and hate. It serves no useful purpose except to inflame and confirm the worst suspicions of those who feel oppressed.

Take all that venom in your system and direct it at the guilty.

125 posted on 09/09/2006 11:10:44 PM PDT by harrowup (I had a NASsCAR once; better'n the one now, but not the bestest.)
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To: harrowup
"You keep telling me what I mean when you are afraid to say what you mean."

I thought I was quite clear.

"Not that it will mean anything to an irrational bigot, but here you go."

There is nothing at all irrational in not liking Islam. I'm "bigoted" against Communism too.

"All religions have elements that misapply the words written. "

The problem for you in this argument is that the language of the Koran supports the extremists.

"Right now, you are only fixated on current events even though you justify your bigotry by ignoring 5000 years of human history and focusing on Mohammed only."

Considering the subject of this thread is ISLAM, I should think that would be "remaining on topic".

"You are making a serious error to think that islamo-fascists only hate Jews."

I haven't mentioned anti-Semitism in this thread. You assume quite a bit of what "errors" I make, now aren't you?

"Islamo-facists" hate ALL non-Islamo-fascists. Frankly, the term "Islamo-fascist" is redundant.

"Let's concentrate on eliminating all terrorists and stop speaking ill of an entire faith."

The "faith" is the heart of this problem. It commands them to kill the Infidel. You may not believe in any religion. That won't save you from them. The founder of that "faith" was a murdering, raping, stealing madman. There is nothing good that can sprout from the root of that tree.

"It is wrong. It is evil. It is bigotry and hate."

It is not. It is a recognition that the Ummah wants to kill us or force us to convert. I, for one, do not care for either option - or the dhimmi option, for that matter. Read Sura 9. Read Buhkari. You might come to the conclusion that I have - that Islam isn't just a colorful, harmless, peaceful faith with minarets.

"Take all that venom in your system and direct it at the guilty."

Take off your blindfold and see what is going on around you.

I mean, seriously! Only a fool believes this "religion of peace" thing. I notice from a few of your previous posts that you are "left of center", to use your words. I find your defense of the intolerable understandable in that respect. Well, not "understandable", but to be expected. You know, your defense of Islam won't save you from them....

It is the height of idiocy to think that just because something is called a religion, that it is peaceful at its heart. The religion of the Aztecs certainly wasn't. What makes you think this one is?
126 posted on 09/09/2006 11:46:34 PM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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To: Nip
I wrote BTTT to call attention to the thread article.

Christianity will not disappear; it is a religion, oh yes, to Islam for all ages, despite changes. Islam is limited. It cannot grow with a people; it can only grow inward to a destructive bent.

127 posted on 09/10/2006 5:00:42 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Mo1
This opening line from article:

America, you ignorant Islamophobes! Alright, maybe it's not all your fault. Your anti-Muslim attitudes have been "stoked" by "inflammatory rhetoric" from . . . President Bush. That was the basic message of a segment narrated by Ron Claiborne this morning entitled "9/11 Remembered: Islamophobia" on ABC's Good Morning America.

Claiborne is a feminist: "If it's happening to one woman - it's happening to all women in the world."

The President was very specific in his comment and direction. Claiborne is doing the classic feminist thing of attempting to blur the President's meaning.

Remember, feminism was its strongest during the years that they featured personal stories of one woman being raped or murdered, and then applying the massage to ALL MEN: That all men were rapists and murderers.

Here, Claiborne is doing the same -- attempting to insinuate a meaning which is stupid.

Members of Islam SNEAK into our country. LIE about their "credentials". STEAL airplanes, and MURDER thousands of people; oh so happy to commit SUICIDE in the process. Other members of Islam have sneaily been carrying bombs and weapons to murder.

It is wise to be careful of those who resemble they who wish us dead.

Claiborne calls it "Islamophobia".

Obviously, Claiborne gets a thrill out seeing the murders of others. Gets off on train wrcks. What a pitiful, perverse person is Claiborne.

Analogy: A rabid German Shephard is loose in your neighborhood. Police send out the alert to those living in the neighborhood: Stay in doors! Mad German Shephard on the lose. Neighbor A calls Neighbor B: Did you get the news; there's a rabid dog in the neighborhood.

Claiborne's opinion? Everyone's just being Dogophobia; and stirring up hatred of dogs.

128 posted on 09/10/2006 5:10:54 AM PDT by Alia
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To: jackieaxe
The Koran says to slay the infidels wherever you find them. In Islamic countries WITHOUT EXCEPTION, Christians are persecuted, and in some Islamic countries, woman are put to death for adultery. My feelings about Islam are not based upon ignorance, or lies from the Bush Administration but on the things I read and see, or in the case of lower Manhattan, the buildings I no longer see.

Aptly put.

I do care to draw distinctions, nonetheless: Selectivism. There's a part in the Koran which does speak about "slaying the infidels". There's also parts in the Old Testament which involves stoning adulterers. And admonishment to homosexuals. We condemn those who act on using these scriptures; and rightly so, and as covered in the New Testament.

To my knowledge there is no such "new testament" in the Koran. Nor admonishments to deal harshly with those who practice such bigotry and encouragement to murder, as the Koran currently exists.

One step further, homosexualists selectively edit out the Old Testament, preferring instead to only "listen to the lamp in the New Testament" -- and calling "homophobes" of anyone still comprehending the Old Testament as well as the New. The homosexualists are selectivists; as selectivist as those who only adhere to the Old Testament.

And this is why/how the war on Christianity -- those who are waging to "split" the Bible and tear it asunder wish either a world like Islam, or a world with absolutely no history.

129 posted on 09/10/2006 5:20:01 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Peisistratus
You know, your defense of Islam won't save you from them....

There you go again, reading what you want and not comprehending what I have actually written.

I defend the right of all to declare whatever they choose to believe even if it reflects a blind bigots view.

I'll repeat one more time. All religions get an itch to kill and "it is written" becomes justification for so doing. All religions give the believer the duty of supremacy and the ability to pick and choose the texts they wish to use as proof they are the only correct path.

You need to travel more and meet more folks of a different nature.

Hold that thought; given your reckless bigotry you'd best stay close to home less those you insult decide to take you at your word.

As to my posting history, I can assure you that there is a reason most Jews support the Democrats. We mostly ain't bigots and 'know-nothings' and think condemnation of the wicked should be reserved for the uglies even within our own ranks which is why Kahane Kach members are reviled in both Israel and the USA. We don't think highly of self-appointed, self-righteous 'defenders of the faith' either.

Perhaps you might better spend your time studying the Classics so that you better understand just exactly what kind of bigotry and hate your namesake proclaimed. In short, I'm not interested in your opinions any further at this point. You may have the last word if you choose. I'll ignore it, in toto.

130 posted on 09/10/2006 6:57:38 AM PDT by harrowup (I had a NASsCAR once; better'n the one now, but not the bestest.)
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To: Alia
Nice reply. Is it the Islamic Terrorist's practicing selectivism from the Koran when they "slay the infidels where ever they find them", or is it a contradiction to what is "true" Islam? I would really like to read a good Islamic argument of how Islam can co-exit peacefully in our growing small world with people of other faiths or people of no faith. I guess any body of work could be parsed to what ever outlook you wish to support, but when you look at the whole it's a better perspective to make a judgment.
131 posted on 09/10/2006 9:05:49 AM PDT by jackieaxe (Unsourced reporting is not reporting but a lie or a manipulation)
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To: harrowup
"I defend the right of all to declare whatever they choose to believe even if it reflects a blind bigots view."

Noticing something wrong with the Islamic "faith" isn't being blind. How many more have to die before fools like you wake up?

"All religions get an itch to kill and "it is written" becomes justification for so doing."

False. In the case of Islam, IT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN.

"Hold that thought; given your reckless bigotry you'd best stay close to home less those you insult decide to take you at your word."

Oh, terrorism is MY fault now.

"We mostly ain't bigots and 'know-nothings' and think condemnation of the wicked should be reserved for the uglies even within our own ranks which is why Kahane Kach members are reviled in both Israel and the USA."

What on Earth is the "Kahane Kach"? Regardless, Democrats support the Palestinians, not the Jews. They side with Islam over the West.

"Perhaps you might better spend your time studying the Classics so that you better understand just exactly what kind of bigotry and hate your namesake proclaimed."

I have. Which do you refer to? The real Athenian or the character in Homer?
132 posted on 09/10/2006 9:34:44 AM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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To: Flintlock
It will get 'local' if and when the first Islamofascist Nuke goes off in this country (dirty or otherwise). Very local....
133 posted on 09/10/2006 9:39:06 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"I think that more generally speaking, America is not Islamophobic, it really just doesn't understand the religion at all."

Everything we need to know about Islam, we learned on 9/11, with follow-up tutorials on 3/11 and 7/5.

134 posted on 09/10/2006 9:49:45 AM PDT by montag813
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To: jackieaxe
You ask good questions.

I've read several investigative indepth analyses of the Koran. According to each of these, the "directive" to murder the infidels is indeed in the Koran; but that certain sects choose to selectively not abide by the order. I'd read parts of the translated Koran in the late 70s; but I've not read it entirely, myself.

So when the President would refer to "peaceful" followers of Islam; I took away a two part meaning: 1) addressing the sects choosing not to adhere to the "murder" directive; and to royally piss off the hardline murdering types by paying respectful attention to the sects not adhering to the "murder" directive. Yes, I know, I read it here: "Bush is a sellout". But. That's not at all how I understood the President's words to mean.

135 posted on 09/10/2006 3:26:12 PM PDT by Alia
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

They've already forgotten who slammed into our buildings. And we continue to allow the Muslims into our country. Invite the enemy in. Let the ones who are already here, stay. Makes sense to me.


136 posted on 09/10/2006 3:31:25 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Pornography kills.)
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