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On Bainbridge, Reciting Pledge Makes Some Edgy
Kitsap Sun ^ | 09/09/2006 | Rachel Pritchett

Posted on 09/09/2006 3:26:45 PM PDT by bigfootbob

On Bainbridge, Reciting Pledge Makes Some Edgy

City council finds itself divided and digging in on both sides of the dispute.

By Rachel Pritchett, rpritchett@kitsapsun.com September 9, 2006

Bainbridge Island

More people on the island are entering the debate about whether the Pledge of Allegiance should be recited at City Council meetings -- something that hasn't been done until recently.

The local chamber of commerce, fearing widespread media attention, has sent out an e-mail urging city and chamber leaders to back Old Glory. And Council member Jim Llewellyn, who personally opposes the practice introduced by Councilman Bill Knobloch, doesn't appear to be backing down.

Last week, Llewellyn polled his colleagues by e-mail about whether the Pledge has a place at City Council meetings. He and at least two others -- Nezam Tooloee and Kjell Stoknes -- said no. A stiff statement supporting the Pledge and condemning the councilmen's stances was issued soon after from the local American Legion adjunct.

An article appeared in the Kitsap Sun.

On Wednesday, Bainbridge Island Chamber of Commerce Executive Director Kevin Dwyer sent an e-mail to city leaders and chamber members urging them to stand up for the flag, for the community's sake.

"We would like to discourage you from taking a negative stand against the Pledge of Allegiance. Although you personally may have a strong opinion against the current national administration ... we think the publicity surrounding such a stand would do more harm than good for you and the community at large," Dwyer wrote.

"Negative press reports that more than likely will come out as (a) result of a stand against the pledge could have unintended consequences for the business community and the community as a whole -- suggesting that Bainbridge Islanders are ultra-liberal and against the war, the Bush Administration, etc.," he stated.

But an e-mail also sent Wednesday from Llewellyn to City Council members and others suggested he is not backing down from efforts to seek wider control over whether it's said, and when.

The Pledge of Allegiance is not on the upcoming meeting's agenda. The e-mail was obtained by the Kitsap Sun through a request to the city.

"I will expect NOTHING between "Call to Order" and "Additions/deletions" except "Roll Call" unless agreed to by consent of Council chair and mayor -- prior to the meeting. This has been accepted protocol for the last 15 years, except for the recent couple months. Anything not on the agenda should be added (by consensus) at the "Additions/deletions" part of the agenda," Llewellyn wrote.

It is not known whether more than three of the seven-member Council support or don't support recitation of the pledge, or whether a consensus could be reached.

Repeated efforts to reach Llewellyn on Friday were not successful. But Knobloch, contacted on Friday, seemed to prefer a more permanent place for the pledge at Council meetings.

"I would hope that as a council, together, we make this a permanent part of the agenda," he said.

The next Council meeting is at 7 p.m. Wednesday at City Hall.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; commiebastards; kooks; undergod

1 posted on 09/09/2006 3:26:47 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: sionnsar

ping


2 posted on 09/09/2006 3:27:17 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: bigfootbob

Say the pledge: Anyone who doesnt wish to say it can remain seated. That serves to show them for the assholes they are.


3 posted on 09/09/2006 3:31:55 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: bigfootbob

The result of rich privileged limosine liberals taking over. This is what's known as being "progressive".


4 posted on 09/09/2006 3:32:38 PM PDT by DuxFan4ever (The next rational liberal I meet will be the first.)
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To: sgtbono2002; bigfootbob

Good way to weed out the anti-American Stalinist types.


5 posted on 09/09/2006 3:33:11 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Libertina; trustandhope; lonevoice; Paperdoll; Maynerd; Bobsvainbabblings; moneypenny; ...
Thanks to bigfootbob for the ping.

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FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this ping list.

Ping sionnsar if you see a Washington state related thread.

6 posted on 09/09/2006 3:36:05 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: bigfootbob
When I moved up here last year I joined both the Bainbridge Chamber of Commerce and the Silverdale Chamber.

I attended 2 of the BI meetings and realiuzed they're dominated by rich, snooty libs. In contrast, I love the Silverdale meetings. They always include the Pledge of Allegience in their meetings, and often present awards to members of the armed forces for their service. What a difference a few miles makes!

7 posted on 09/09/2006 3:36:30 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: bigfootbob

There's a heck of of a lot of other countries you can go live in if you don't want to say the pledge here.

Please, if you don't want to say the pledge, feel free to leave - we won't stop ya'


8 posted on 09/09/2006 3:39:04 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: bigfootbob

There's a heck of of a lot of other countries you can go live in if you don't want to say the pledge here.

Please, if you don't want to say the pledge, feel free to leave - we won't stop ya'


9 posted on 09/09/2006 3:39:31 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty

Oh my!! Didn't mean to have that come out twice!!


10 posted on 09/09/2006 3:40:15 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: bigfootbob
This is all the Socialist Organization for Women's (SOW) fault. The absurdity of women joining men's clubs made legitimate the practice of anti-Americans governing of our nation.

11 posted on 09/09/2006 3:44:42 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: I see my hands

You....have way too much time on YOUR hands....


12 posted on 09/09/2006 4:02:22 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Katya

Perhaps they need reminding that there is ANOTHER country just a few miles to the north; if they hate this one so much perhaps they should leave.

Jeez, I am SO tired of these jerks.


13 posted on 09/09/2006 4:49:07 PM PDT by sdillard
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To: bigfootbob

If you can't handle pledging your allegiance to this country, MOVE TO ANOTHER ONE!!


14 posted on 09/09/2006 5:57:22 PM PDT by Just Lori (VOTE!...........or suffer the consequences.......)
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To: bigfootbob

I have not and will NEVER shirk from saying the Pledge of Allegiance!


15 posted on 09/09/2006 6:08:10 PM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: bigfootbob
Kitsap Sun? Thats news to me. Didn't it used to be called the Bremerton Sun when I went to school there?
16 posted on 09/09/2006 6:25:38 PM PDT by badpacifist (Stop the suffrage of uninformed voters)
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To: Cementjungle
Silverdale, wow! I was stationed at Bangor in the early eighties and Silverdale 'the boonies' back then. Did they ever fix that floating bridge on 3?
17 posted on 09/09/2006 6:37:42 PM PDT by relee
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To: bigfootbob

And some AREN'T edgy. Good grief, this is "reporting"????


18 posted on 09/09/2006 7:22:51 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: badpacifist

Yes, they thought they needed an image enhancement when their subscriptions began to flounder...it didn't help. We call it the RedSun now.


19 posted on 09/09/2006 9:10:36 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: relee
Yes, and we are rebuilding it again now. Completion is scheduled for 2008. Talk about government fraud & corruption, or own mini-big dig.
20 posted on 09/09/2006 9:12:35 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Libertina; Baynative
No kidding. Rachel is a second generation RedSun reporterette. Her daddy is Lloyd Pritchett long time feature writer and now associate editor. Think she'd have a clue.

Actually, she does, she lives on Bainbridge and shares the minority viewpoint.

FYI- Nezam Tooloee is a naturalized Iranian who made a fortune in Silicon Valley. He's also thumbed his nose on strict land use regulations, he helped pass, in order to rebuild an adult tree house on a critical area slope on the backside of his property.

What's good for ye, isn't good for thee!
21 posted on 09/09/2006 9:20:02 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: bigfootbob

Amazing.

The leftist techies who live on Bainbridge now, should be kissing the flag because our country and our freedoms have allowed them to suceed.


22 posted on 09/09/2006 9:29:45 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Who will lead our country next? Who will fight the good fight? Who has the courage?)
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To: Chickensoup

Agreed.


23 posted on 09/09/2006 9:42:19 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: relee
Silverdale, wow! I was stationed at Bangor in the early eighties and Silverdale 'the boonies' back then. Did they ever fix that floating bridge on 3?

Silverdale's the shopping mecca of the county now. Rumor has it there's going to even be a Trader Joes soon!

24 posted on 09/09/2006 11:17:04 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: bigfootbob
"Negative press reports that more than likely will come out as (a) result of a stand against the pledge could have unintended consequences for the business community and the community as a whole -- suggesting that Bainbridge Islanders are ultra-liberal and against the war, the Bush Administration, etc.," he stated.

Are they ultra-liberal?

But an e-mail also sent Wednesday from Llewellyn to City Council members and others suggested he is not backing down...

They never do... a fool is wise in his own eyes.

"I will expect NOTHING between "Call to Order" and "Additions/deletions" except "Roll Call" unless agreed to by consent of Council chair and mayor -- prior to the meeting. This has been accepted protocol for the last 15 years, except for the recent couple months. Anything not on the agenda should be added (by consensus) at the "Additions/deletions" part of the agenda," Llewellyn wrote.

Okay. What was the practice for the 15 years prior to that, and the 15 years prior to that? Which is really the "new" protocol? Inquiring minds want to know...

25 posted on 09/09/2006 11:47:21 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Baynative; relee

You forgot to add the vindictiveness of a low level bureaucrat that tried to put the grading dock in Tacoma out of business with the failed plan in Port Angeles.

The Tacoma plant had built the pontoons and spans for nearly all bridges and road projects in the Northwest for years. However, this bureaucrat didn't like the bid so they tried to bankrupt the plant by building the Port Angeles grading dock out of spite.

It failed and the Tacoma plant is building the spans and the bureaucrat and the head cheese Doug MacDonald (a former Boston Big Dig executive) is still collecting a fat salary.


28 posted on 09/10/2006 9:40:55 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: bigfootbob; Baynative; Cementjungle
Thanks for the update guys. The Kitsap peninsula sure was a beautiful part of the country, everything was green, lots of open space, no traffic, clean air and great views.

Times change so I wonder, do they still serve beer on the ferries?

29 posted on 09/10/2006 10:05:17 AM PDT by relee
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To: relee

Yes, go figure. Can't smoke if you partake, but drink all you want.


30 posted on 09/10/2006 10:08:28 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: relee

Gold Mountain, Olympic Course, one of the best golf courses in hte nation. It hosted the US Amateur Public Links Championship this summer.


31 posted on 09/10/2006 10:57:03 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Life is tough. It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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