Islamic Fascism

The North Carolina Conservative ^ | 8/26/2006 | Joel Raupe

[Prospero]

First time, oddly uninformed though I am, I've heard anyone meditate on the fact that not only is there a well-established link between Arab Nationalism and Nazi Germany, but a reminder of the fact, which I remember from comparative religion classes, that "Islam" is considered to be a "nation," and Raupe makes some other good points too.

Call it what you will. We are at War with Islam.

[sheik yerbouty]

You sir, have great clarity of vision!

[msnimje]

The idea of being at war with an idea or philosophy plays into the hands of the terrorists.

I think the president is right (he chooses his words very carefully!) to say we are at war with "Islamic Fascists" -- the people.

[Prospero]

Raupe has written extensively about Mass Movements and why people join them, as a way of escaping personal responsibility. I think he made the role of the individual clear in this piece, and the lure of Collectives. I think in another article for another newspaper, he wrote about the so-called "Nurenburg Defense," something about how that "just following orders" defense won't hold water because people may become Nazis to get away from it, but they remain individuals who are responsible for their choices.

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[oyez]

Unlike others we have been at war with the Islamic Fascists are not particularly in a hurry. They will be move at their own chosen speed.

[stainlessbanner]

bttt

[backtothestreets]

We are at war with Islam. President Bush does a disservice by calling our enemy Islamic terrorists, Islamic jihadists, Islamic Fascists, Islamic militants and so on. It's the same problem all our leaders have had for decades. They seek a politically correct means of defining are enemy and only cloud the issue. The enemy is Islam. Our enemy IS Islamic. President Bush is trying to separate copper from bronze and still call it bronze.

Also, the author needs to study further post WWII history. He states, "“fascism” died with Germany’s surrender in May 1945". Spain under Generalissimo Franco would argue that. He survived Hitler and Mussolini by three decades.

Fascism and Islam cannot coexist anymore than communism and Islam can coexist, or democracy and Islam coexist. Islam places itself above any government model recognized. Under Islam all institutions including government are subordinate.

The enemy is Islam. Attempts to define the enemy beyond Islam only blurs the picture.

[American in Israel]

A nation, without borders is an Empire. This is indeed what we are fighting as the Islamic "States" are a tribal institution and have yet to achieve Feudalism. Still stuck in the 7th century, and using 7th century warfare methods and tactics.

[samtheman]

Who first used the term Islamofascist or Islamic Fascist? Was the term coined here in FR?

[onyx]

The enemy is Islam. Attempts to define the enemy beyond Islam only blurs the picture.

I have reached your same conclusion. I'll have to revise my tagline.

[onyx]

Still stuck in the 7th century, and using 7th century warfare methods and tactics.

How comforting. Pakistan has nukes. Iran is trying to acquire same. If Pakistan's government is toppled or falls into Islamic hands, they won't use 7th Century warfare and weaponry.

[rightgrafix]

Interesting link:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/18.htm

[onyx]

Bookmarked.

[livius]

Attempts to define the enemy beyond Islam only blurs the picture.

That is true. Obviously, Bush is only adding the "fascist" bit for public consumption and because to Americans it is unthinkable that anything that calls itself a religion could be utterly and entirely bad. But in many ways, fascism does not apply to Islam, which has as its ideal a theocratic, transnational government in which the religious and civil spheres are one and the same. This is not true of fascism, which, as the author himself said, is based on extreme nationalism. The author is right in that Islam is a "Mass Movement" in the sense he defines it, that is, something that takes away individual responsibility, fosters hatred of those on the outside, etc. But this is because Islam is essentially a cult, which differs from a religion in that it is focused on creating a closed, all-encompassing world that answers all the follower's questions, relieves him of all responsibilities for deciding on right and wrong, imposes its own set of behavioral rules that are arbitrary and have no ethical roots, and is controlled entirely by the leader or his appointed followers. Mohammed was an Arab, so Arabs have preeminence in this group (remember, being a cleric who is a descendant of Mohammed is ultra-super-special), but it cannot simply be defined as an Arab nationalist movement.

The Arab nations have always had a particular hatred of Jews, probably because of their proximity to Israel, or, before its existence, to territory that they knew to have belonged to the Jews. This anti-semitism pervades their scriptures and hence has been adopted by Muslims everywhere. But I think their main attraction to Hitler and his movement was their shared anti-semitism, because, as you say, fascism is no more a government the Muslims could apply than is democracy.

Oddly enough, I think Islam could function with a Communist government, because Communism has some of the same features (transnational, etc.) and also exercises a great deal of control over its citizens, who have virtually no individual existence. The left is very authoritarian and "mass think" oriented, and I think that's one of the reasons many leftists really admire Islam, which as "religions" go has a concept of an impersonal, arbitrary god who does not will or desire human freedom or any response, other than fear and submission. Also, of course, as dysfunctional Muslim economies have shown time and again, Mohammed and Marx would get along just fine with each other in the area of economic structure, too!

But as you say, no further definition is necessary: Islam in itself is the enemy.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Still stuck in the 7th century, and using 7th century warfare methods and tactics.

Somehow I doubt that.

[BigSkyFreeper]

President Bush does a disservice by calling our enemy Islamic terrorists, Islamic jihadists, Islamic Fascists, Islamic militants and so on.

There is not a thing wrong with any one of those terms.  Each one describes Islam to a 'T'.  Islam seeks conversion through threats, acts of terror, acts of aggression, global conquest, and global warfare. 

[rightgrafix]

According to the great (all seeing) info god "Google" Many people think they have coined the term Islamofascist.

[tkathy]

No valid religion is about suicide and/or killing other people's children.

[Prospero]

Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) is credited with first having used the term "Islamofascist."

Unless folks want to get into that "Grand Mufti of Jerusalem is a Muslum and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem is a Fascist, therefore all Muslims, all of Islam, is Fascist" kind of logic, that the term arose from the ether; a redundancy, like "Democrat Liberal."