Posted on 09/10/2006 4:20:44 PM PDT by restornu
Um, no, actually, he actually pretty much said exactly that when he was running for Governor.
I'm paraphrasing, but I believe the statement that got the most press was, "Personally, I'm pro-life, but I recognize I'm in the minority in our great state, and as Governor, I will not change the abortion laws and will protect a women's right to chose."
Is it a bit of a dodge? Sure, but it makes it pretty clear where he is coming from. Besides that, he wasn't even so much taking a stand as he was conceding the truth. He wasn't going to be able to change any abortion laws as Governor even if he wanted to with the legislature as overwhelmingly D as it is. What's more, actions speak louder then words, and he's vetoed several pieces of legislation favored by the pro-choice crowd, as well as been on the forfront in the fight against gay marriage.
Romney does NOT suppport the gay agenda, nor is pro abortion etc
this guy is just imaginations!
One thing for sure EV could not get elected in a Blue State and help the good people beyond the Rats because of his in ability to walk the Rats mine field!
The California Church of Christ must be more "liberal" than the Texas brand. I have two great uncles who are Church of Christ ministers and they firmly believe my mother is NOT going to Heaven because she joined the Catholic church. They don't say she's going to Hell, they just say she is not going to Heaven (if that makes any difference).
My point is that there are many evangelicals and other "Bible Belt" Christians who make very clear boundaries between what denominations they will accept and what they will not. And sometimes they even draw lines within their own denomination. The local Church of Christ where I live had a huge falling out a few years ago when they built a new church. Most of the people wanted to have a kitchen in the new building, but a small faction of old timers (lead by my mother's first cousin who is also a Church of Christ minister) said it was against the Bible to have a kitchen in the church building.
to paraphrase: "The ignorant you have among you always..."
Um, great. Romney is personally pro-life, along with Mario Cuomo, John F'n "Life begins at conception" Kerry, Bill Clinton, and every other pandering liberal scumbag out there.
It means absolutely nothing. Mitt Romney cannot get pregnant. Mitt Romney will never have an abortion. Who cares if Mitt is personally pro-life, it affects no one.
What DOES matter is that he has repeatedly endorsed Roe v Wade and the "right" to abortion.
Did you even bother reading my entire post? Did you bother to understand the context of his words? Or are you just interested in proving how right you are?
I've heard that before, and I have trouble believeing it. Do the loudest people in these churches have beliefs like this? Perhaps. But I'd like to think that at least a majority of them actually read the Bible and know what they are talking about, and there is simply 0 Biblical support for saying all Catholics are barred from heaven.
I could be wrong, but we'll see.
Assume whatever you want. But the fact remains that everything I said is true. Anyone who is spun into believing that Romney is pro-life and against the gay agenda is either very naive, very stupid, or simply wants to be deceived. And a plan that forces MA businesses to pay for healthcare for everybody is socialized medicine, whether you like it or not, or whether Heritage or the DNC came up with it.
Given the rest of the politicians in this crazy state, Romney is a breath of fresh air, despite his squishiness and compromises. I do think his heart is in the right place.
You clearly don't understand his record, and you CLEARLY don't understand his healthcare plan.
Do me a favor and go here: http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed012806a.cfm
Hey JohnnyZ thank you for introducing me to some facts I didn't know about. Don't get discouraged when people criticise you for pointing out uncomfortable truths.
I am really very ignorant about Romney but willing to give him a fair go as I learn more. I already have written McCain and Giuliani off. Newt seems to me like a person who would be a fantastic president, depressing that no one seems to think he has a chance. So if not Romney, McCain, or Giuliani, then who? Who is the most viable candidate for conservatives
I believe there will be at Least one surprise conservative candidate entering the field next year. A lot of candidates seemingly come from nowhere, and a lot of early campaigners flame out by the first primary.
Let's see how it shakes out.
I admire Mormons for their hard work and commitment, but the religion is pretty weird.
They believe that Jesus was once a human like us and was 'promoted' to God status. If we humans buckle down and do the right things, then we get similar promotions, and eventually we can get our own planet to populate.
That said, I wouldn't refuse to vote for someone because he was a Mormon. I'd vote for an anti-abortion Mormon ahead of McCain or Giuliani any day!
Not doing it right and an almost completely different religion are 2 different things.
I think there will be plenty of Catholics in Heaven, and I suspect plenty of Mormons - it just depends on whether they put their faith in Jesus Christ or some man-made salvation. (not a judgment of anyone, just an opinion)
Not too surprising to me that there are many schisms in Christianity - the Bible is a complex Work subject to interpretation, both good and bad. Again, the important thing isn't which 'schism' you're following, but in Whom you place your faith.
And as to this: They believe that Jesus was once a human like us and was 'promoted' to God status. If we humans buckle down and do the right things, then we get similar promotions, and eventually we can get our own planet to populate.
That's...kinda right. I just got finished reading this book that was a collaboration between a professor at BYU and a Protestant professor about what Mormons believe, how it's different, etc. I'm not sure that it's quite a fair interpretation that Jesus was once just like us and was promoted, (Jesus's status is all over the place, I do know they believe that since he's fully man and fully God, he's essentially two different beings in one) and they made it clear that, while yes, we do get 'promoted' and have our own planet, that we still wouldn't quite be like God, and that we'd have to answer to him and worship him still...
So yah, their religion is a bit weird. But I'm like you, they seem to do just fine here on earth, and while their theology might be all messed up, they at least seem to believe in some concept of grace and needing salvation. So I'll vote for them when it's appropritate and let God sort out their eternal questions as to their salvation.
Not too surprising to me that there are many schisms in Christianity - the Bible is a complex Work subject to interpretation, both good and bad. Again, the important thing isn't which 'schism' you're following, but in Whom you place your faith.
Totally agree.
The biggest question for most people with Mormonism is "Do they believe they can earn their way to heaven?" and if so, frankly, they are screwed. They insist they believe in grace, but even they admit it's a 'different concept' of grace, which...makes things confusing to say the least. You can interpret their concept of grace to be real grace or not.
Like you said, I guess it depends on the person. The protestant theologan that wrote in that book I mentioned wrote in the afterward that, while he was no more convinced of the authencicity of the Book of Mormon or the writings of Joseph Smith then he was before (he heard Walter Martin, a now deceased minister who was an expert on what he believed were cults, rip up the Mormon religion), and that he still had the same basic problems with their theology, the better he got to know his Mormon friend, the more he believed him when he said that, if he were asked at the gates of heaven why he should be allowed in, that his reply "Because Jesus paid the price for me," that he was sincere, and that he'd let God sort out the rest.
Thanks for your fair analysis. I wonder if the book you mention is the same one I have read or a different one?
"How Wide the Divide?: A Mormon & An Evangelical in Conversation" By: Craig L. Blomberg, Stephen E. Robinson
As a Mormon the book changed some of my ill-informed views of what Evangelicals believe. I appreciate it for that, as well as fairly presenting our belief in the Divinity of Christ.
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