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1 posted on 09/11/2006 10:35:01 AM PDT by JSedreporter
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I'm a college freshman and I can still remember taking both the ACT and the SAT. I took the SAT first and thought it just another standardized test (albeit a long one); I went into the ACT expecting the same thing and came stunned at how much the ACt reminded of the aptitude tests I had to take in elementary school. The ACT is definitely the easier test.
2 posted on 09/11/2006 10:43:41 AM PDT by verum ago (Proper foreign policy makes loud noises.)
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I think it's the essays. It is AMAZING how poor the writing skills of most of today's students are.

I am back in school studying nursing and would have to say that the majority of my fellow students (mostly in the 18-24 yr. old range) cannot write their way out of a paperbag! Besides not being able to spell, they have no clue regarding sentence structure, proper grammar or essay organization.

I have had a few teachers comment to me about the pathetic writing (or lack thereof) abilities of my fellow classmates. This generally ame after the teachers commented about how older/returning students tend to exel. (I have a 3.8 overall gpa)

3 posted on 09/11/2006 10:53:59 AM PDT by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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LOL - title could be interpreted to mean that the homo protest group had a sit in.


4 posted on 09/11/2006 10:59:56 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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IMHO, the ACT tests specific knowledge that can/should be taught. Some schools may "teach the test" and thus look like they are doing a better job of educating students.

The SAT is more a test of cognitive abilities, something that correlates with specific knowledge, but is more stable. Scores reflect longer term education, family influence, and (since they correlate with IQ scores) probably genetics.

Attempts to make the SAT easier have more to do with politics than psychometrics. Long standing racial and ethnic group differences in such tests are controversial for obvious reasons that freepers understand.


5 posted on 09/11/2006 11:01:53 AM PDT by neocon1984 (end the idiocy of post-modernism)
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My kid scored in exactly the same percentile on both, though different in some individual categories. I wouldn't say that validates the tests. In my opinion, some very bright kids might do poorly, though I doubt dumb kids would do well. It's imperfect and steeped in poltiical correctness (the stories are stupid), but it's an okay enough way to measure the kids. As long as they all take the same test then it is fair enough, though some might be disadvantaged who haven't been steeped in liberal social theory, depending on which test they get. The math test is better on the SAT than on the ACT. I was not clear as to why the PSAT tested writing while the SAT didn't, though it appears they have corrected that. The reading sections on both were sometimes poorly constructed and frequently all about one group being oppressed by another group. It was tiresome to practice.


6 posted on 09/11/2006 11:53:22 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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Many school systems are pushing an "every student takes the ACT" policy and that will wreak havoc with the average in years to come. It better be the easier test with that plan in the works.


7 posted on 09/11/2006 11:56:18 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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When I took the ACT, certain parts were specific to the textbooks being used at school. So for instance if you were taking the physics portion and were taught physics using a textbook called "Physics for Dummies 101", you had to indicate that on the answer form so the scoring would be adjusted to that textbook. Basically you were competing against classmates, rather than the overall national student population. If your teacher didn't follow the textbooks well or didn't finish the book, it would tend to be reflected in your score (unless you read all the material in the book yourself).


8 posted on 09/11/2006 12:23:46 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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A friend of mine floated the idea of a minimum ACT / SAT score to even QUALIFY for ANY federal assistance. I have not had a chance to think through all the possible ramifications but I think the idea has some merit.


9 posted on 09/11/2006 12:32:38 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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The mystery is easily solved: the ACT is an easier test.

Correction: The ACT is an easier test than the new SAT. There wasn't really a problem about this until the new SAT was introduced. I just took the new SAT two days ago in fact, and I thought it was pretty easy, especially the math (critical reading's always a pain). The ACT must be a no-brainer then.
10 posted on 10/16/2006 11:59:49 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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