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CONSPIRACY CRANKS. CREATING CRAZED '9/11 TRUTH'.
NY Post ^ | September 12, 2006 | By JAMES B. MEIGS

Posted on 09/12/2006 10:24:21 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

ON Feb. 7, 2005, I became a member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/New World Order/Illuminati conspiracy for world domination. That day, Popular Mechanics, the magazine I edit, hit newsstands with a story debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories. Within hours, the online community of 9/11 conspiracy buffs - which calls itself the "9/11 Truth Movement" - was aflame with wild fantasies about me, my staff and the article we had published. Conspiracy Web sites labeled Popular Mechanics a "CIA front organization" and compared us to Nazis and war criminals.

For a 104-year-old magazine about science, technology, home improvement and car maintenance, this was pretty extreme stuff. What had we done to provoke such outrage?

Research.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; conspiracies; tinfoilhats
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I guess this guy was NOT the technical advisor for Farenhate 9-11.
1 posted on 09/12/2006 10:24:22 AM PDT by .cnI redruM
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To: .cnI redruM

"What had we done to provoke such outrage? "

You told the truth.


2 posted on 09/12/2006 10:25:38 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("For seven million extra, we could have avoided a billion dollar WOT.")
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To: EQAndyBuzz
"ON Feb. 7, 2005, I became a member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/New World Order/Illuminati "-

I've been one for years, and they won't even send me my lousy secret decoder ring....
3 posted on 09/12/2006 10:27:55 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: .cnI redruM

hmmm, an American Airlines cruise missile... hmmmm, where do they get enough tinfoil?


4 posted on 09/12/2006 10:30:10 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: .cnI redruM
"In every single case, we found that the very facts used by conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies are mistaken, misunderstood or deliberately falsified."


5 posted on 09/12/2006 10:30:26 AM PDT by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: .cnI redruM

Sites like loose change are in it for the money and always were.

The loose change guys put together a really shabby, inaccurate movie and are now making a fortune on it because there are so many purposely ignorant people who will spend the $10 to $15 that is charged for the dvd.

It's kind of like a taxation on stupidity, but the problem is that so many folks now believe the bizarre assertions that it's somehow becoming acceptable.


6 posted on 09/12/2006 10:31:59 AM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki
"stupidity tax"

Bwahahahahahahaaaa! We could eliminate the national debt with something like that!
7 posted on 09/12/2006 10:33:40 AM PDT by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: .cnI redruM
I've been one for years, and they won't even send me my lousy secret decoder ring....

I got mine, but all the messages ever say is "Be Sure To Drink Your Ovaltine."

8 posted on 09/12/2006 10:34:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: .cnI redruM

Funny thing this, I was just "banned" from slate for ridiculing a 911 conspiracy nut. I was a little overzealous, it happens.

I guess asking whether he wanted me to refer to him as "crazy" or a "liar" crossed the line.

It's a little like being deported from Cuba I think.


9 posted on 09/12/2006 10:35:09 AM PDT by jpf
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To: Echo Talon

I lent them some of my old headgear.


10 posted on 09/12/2006 10:36:18 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: Schnucki
The loose change guys put together a really shabby, inaccurate movie and are now making a fortune on it because there are so many purposely ignorant people who will spend the $10 to $15 that is charged for the dvd.

"BRILLIANT!"

11 posted on 09/12/2006 10:36:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Echo Talon
where do they get enough tinfoil?

I don't think all the aluminum mills in America can produce enough to wrap the theories of the 9-11 crazies.

12 posted on 09/12/2006 10:36:51 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: .cnI redruM
ON Feb. 7, 2005, I became a member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/New World Order/Illuminati conspiracy for world domination.

WELCOME BROTHER!!! You do remember the secret handshake, right?? :-)
13 posted on 09/12/2006 10:37:34 AM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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To: dfwgator
and we all know that Ovaltine is a secretly held subsidiary of Beelezburton.
14 posted on 09/12/2006 10:37:35 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: .cnI redruM

I wish he wouldn't include the illuminati...we have our own thing going on...


15 posted on 09/12/2006 10:38:02 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: .cnI redruM

Reminds me of the whackjobs that said the same thing about the Oklahoma City bombing.


16 posted on 09/12/2006 10:38:29 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: jpf

I used to be a star poster on slab. Then I emerged from the dark side of the force...


17 posted on 09/12/2006 10:38:30 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: .cnI redruM

Paging Oliver Stone - Forget your new project idea.


18 posted on 09/12/2006 10:38:58 AM PDT by listenhillary (Only the stupidest of animals fouls it's own nest - Democrats provide a fine example of this)
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To: Wallace T.

no doubt.


19 posted on 09/12/2006 10:40:08 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Wolfie
I knew this guy who I hate to admit is a fellow ORSA. He seriously believed the US Govt ordered McVeigh to blow up the building in order to incinerate a bunch of data that could have incriminated Bill and Hill concerning Whitewater. There are some genuine nut cases on the right as well.
20 posted on 09/12/2006 10:40:35 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: stylin19a

Yeah, that was too close to home...

The Agents of The Dawn may find out where I live and investigate.


21 posted on 09/12/2006 10:41:28 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: Schnucki

couldn't the feds somehow get involved in that and get them for fraud of some type?


22 posted on 09/12/2006 10:41:34 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: .cnI redruM
I knew this guy who I hate to admit is a fellow ORSA. He seriously believed the US Govt ordered McVeigh to blow up the building in order to incinerate a bunch of data that could have incriminated Bill and Hill concerning Whitewater. There are some genuine nut cases on the right as well.

Here's the difference. The right wing outgrew that, and anyone who didn't was marginalized. But the 9-11 nutbars are a large component of the left wing nowadays, and they show NO sign of outgrowing it.

23 posted on 09/12/2006 10:42:16 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: .cnI redruM
whats really sad is in a recent poll almost a third thought the government was responsible or allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen. That kind of thinking is giving aid and comfort to the real enemy!
24 posted on 09/12/2006 10:42:19 AM PDT by martinidon (Bush won sKerry lost and Soro's is out millions for nothing!)
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To: dirtboy
Very true. We Buchananize our idiots, the Left elevates them to Democratic Party Chair.
25 posted on 09/12/2006 10:43:59 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: .cnI redruM

I got 3 check marks, it was sort of like the teacher giving you star in elementary school. And then, faster than you can say 1984, I'm erased from existence. It's like it never happened, it's rumor now.

Not anything like being a star poster though.


26 posted on 09/12/2006 10:46:21 AM PDT by jpf
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To: .cnI redruM
I've got 2 questions for these brainiac moonbats

1) What is it you don't understand about Occam's Razor?

2) What is it you don't understand propoganda in wartime?

I know, I know, pointless, I'm just another shadowy figure passing disinformation...
27 posted on 09/12/2006 10:46:57 AM PDT by ct_libertarian ("Who Is John Galt?" Ayn Rand)
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To: .cnI redruM

Don't waste your time. The secret message is 'Buy more Halliburton stock'

What a ripoff!


28 posted on 09/12/2006 10:47:33 AM PDT by RedRightReturn (Even a broken clock is right twice a day...)
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To: jpf

Slate.com has developed a memory hole....


29 posted on 09/12/2006 10:48:13 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: .cnI redruM

Everyone knows the Clintons orchestrated 9-11 to impeach President Bush.

They couldn't believe that he wouldn't just blame some guy in Atlanta and go back to fornicating.


30 posted on 09/12/2006 10:48:48 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ct_libertarian
>>>>I've got 2 questions for these brainiac moonbats

1) What is it you don't understand about Occam's Razor?

2) What is it you don't understand propoganda in wartime?<<<<
I have two follow up questions.

1) Will it cut my face less often than Schick's or GIllette's?

2) Will it get me a haying gig w/ Osauma Bin Rueters?
31 posted on 09/12/2006 10:49:56 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: .cnI redruM

I believe the new editor's name is Winston Smith. He's ruthlessly efficient, though he has doubts.


32 posted on 09/12/2006 10:51:41 AM PDT by jpf
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To: .cnI redruM
Even FDR had to deal with his own brand of these loons - call it the "Pearl Harbor Truth Movement:"

Fireside Chat Number 20 - February 23, 1942

The consequences of the attack on Pearl Harbor -- serious as they were -- have been wildly exaggerated in other ways. And these exaggerations come originally from Axis propagandists; but they have been repeated, I regret to say, by Americans in and out of public life.

You and I have the utmost contempt for Americans who, since Pearl Harbor, have whispered or announced "off the record" that there was no longer any Pacific Fleet -- that the Fleet was all sunk or destroyed on December 7th -- that more than (1,000) a thousand of our planes were destroyed on the ground. They have suggested slyly that the Government has withheld the truth about casualties -- that eleven or twelve thousand men were killed at Pearl Harbor instead of the figures as officially announced. They have even served the enemy propagandists by spreading the incredible story that ship-loads of bodies of our honored American dead were about to arrive in New York harbor to be put into a common grave.

Almost every Axis broadcast -- Berlin, Rome, Tokyo -- directly quotes Americans who, by speech or in the press, make damnable misstatements such as these.


33 posted on 09/12/2006 10:52:01 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Schnucki
I would guess that at least 75% of Americans nowadays believe that the assassination of JFK was a intricate conspiracy a la Oliver Stone.

It is officially "common knowledge" now.

I fear that one day it will be "common knowledge" that 9/11 was a conspiracy by the US government.

The lack of critical education is killing this country's collective braincells.

34 posted on 09/12/2006 10:54:00 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: stm

We already have a stupidity tax. It's called the lottery.


35 posted on 09/12/2006 10:55:58 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Pluto's been marginalized! Call the ACLU!)
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To: dfwgator

That's because the Rockefellers get a cut on Ovaltine sales.


36 posted on 09/12/2006 10:56:46 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Pluto's been marginalized! Call the ACLU!)
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To: Schnucki
The loose change guys put together a really shabby, inaccurate movie and are now making a fortune on it because there are so many purposely ignorant people who will spend the $10 to $15 that is charged for the dvd.

Actually, that's something we should all do.

There is no reason at all that moonbats should have any available disposable income.

37 posted on 09/12/2006 10:56:50 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: .cnI redruM

I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but these 9/11 theories really make my blood boil. One guy I was "conversing" with on a forum stated that all the passengers from the four flights were taken to Cleveland Airport, loaded on a flight that skimmed a region in the North that's "dead" to radar, and destroyed over the Atlantic Ocean.

I like to ask these guys one question: How many people do you think were involved in this conspiracy and how do you account that not one of them has come forward or "leaked" anything. I mean, in this day where every sudo-celebrity has a book deal, a "Black Ops" member of the world's largest conspiracy would have all the publishers thwoing money at him to tell his story.


38 posted on 09/12/2006 10:58:13 AM PDT by Portnoy (Fahrenheit 451...Today's Temperature is hotter than you think...)
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To: .cnI redruM
Had a rather funny run in with one of those 9-11 truth guys the other month. He was convinced that Rove/Bush/Haliburton had explosives that took down the towers because "the fire didn't melt the steel". I took the time to give him a basic course in metallurgy, fire fighting, and truss (sp?) construction. In which he said that I was an idiot who should smoke dope so I could see the "truth". Never mind that what happened to the Twin Towers is exactly what would happen to a building so constructed subjected to the heat of the fire.

Kind of gave up after that.
39 posted on 09/12/2006 10:58:23 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Squawk 8888

Nah. That's the Redneck Retirement Plan (RRP). Sold through convenience stores from coast to coast.


40 posted on 09/12/2006 10:58:42 AM PDT by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: .cnI redruM
I've been one for years, and they won't even send me my lousy secret decoder ring....

It really doesn't do much, it just says "A=A."

41 posted on 09/12/2006 10:59:28 AM PDT by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: .cnI redruM

Bump.


42 posted on 09/12/2006 10:59:43 AM PDT by Rocko ("'Fore you call me any dirty names, you better think twice." -- Bob Dylan.)
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To: .cnI redruM
They also did a nice job of debunking Katrina myths which you can read here.
43 posted on 09/12/2006 11:02:51 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: wideawake

Paranoid personality disorder (PPD) is much more common in adults than most people realize. What's more, it seems these demented personalities take comfort in interacting with others that have their disorder. The JFK conspiracy believers are akin to the 9-11 conspiracy theorists, they have a real need to believe there is a plot, a secret plot and it is affecting their lives. Everyone should watch "Caine Mutiny" again and understand the personality portrayal depicts acurately real symptoms that millions of americans are afflicted with.

Most PPD's are affable enough people when not confronted with the absudity of the thinking they have on whatever issue they are obsessed with. When confronted with the truth, they will do anything but acknowledge, often exploding in temper tantrums etc.

Think hard enough and you may realize you know a ppd, and that they have affected your life negatively.


44 posted on 09/12/2006 11:03:09 AM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Schmidt, CEO Google)
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To: .cnI redruM

I've got you beat. I'm the Emperor-elect of the North American Union!


45 posted on 09/12/2006 11:03:49 AM PDT by AmishDude (`[N]on-state actors' can project force around the world more easily than Canada". -- Mark Steyn)
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To: wideawake
"I fear that one day it will be "common knowledge" that 9/11 was a conspiracy by the US government."

There's actually a bigger problem than that right now. Or don't you notice the rhetoric of the loonies infecting the mainstream debate? When Democrats try and blame Bush and not Al Qaeda for the "climate of fear"(as if), they are capitalizing on the work done by the conspiracy loons.

The true motivation of these conspiracy proponents is not to convince the public of the truth of it's claims(it can never hope to do that in the short term), it's true motivation is to plant the seed of doubt in the public mind.
46 posted on 09/12/2006 11:04:16 AM PDT by jpf
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To: All
the worst thing about this movie "Loose Change" is that absolutely every second of footage is stolen from network camera personel and documentarians who risked their lives to get that footage.

They jackasses just repurpose it and take all the credit. How they haven't been sued is beyond me.
47 posted on 09/12/2006 11:04:27 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Portnoy
And we all know why the Shoe-Bomber got railroaded. He had a shoe contract with Reebok and was caught wearing Adidas.
48 posted on 09/12/2006 11:05:58 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: stm

It worked for the tax on people who failed high school math. It's called the "Lotto".


49 posted on 09/12/2006 11:06:32 AM PDT by jonascord ("Let 'em burn!...")
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To: Schnucki
It's kind of like a taxation on stupidity,

Shhh!!!

Really there are groups of conservative investors that are fleecing the pants off the stupid conspiracy theorists and giving 80% of the proceeds to the Republican Senate Majority foundation. Karl Rove and Ken Melman are serving as directors with Ken Lay's executor of his estate.
(Notice anything about the first names K K K!)

They are targeting the spending towards the seats the Republicans can pick off. They also concentrate the spending where the DIEbold machinery is not in place yet.

BwaaaaHahahahahaa!

50 posted on 09/12/2006 11:07:07 AM PDT by listenhillary (Only the stupidest of animals fouls it's own nest - Democrats provide a fine example of this)
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