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To: SoldierDad
First of all, I do not push Ritalin. Just the opposite. I look for other means of dealing with this issue
Well I'm certainly happy to hear that. My respect for your opinion has increased.

NO STUDIES USING MARIJUANA TO TREAT MINORS FOR ADD/ADHD ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD - NONE...No University is going to sign off on using a controlled substance in reseach for any purpose on children
Lol!
You shout about the lack of university study, yet you acknowledge the reason that there are no university studies?
We do have studies. We have the "studies" in the form of reports by doctors who are using marijuana to treat ADD/ADHD.

Your claim was that is was proven effective on children, and this is not true
You should follow your own advise about doing research before you post. You didn't bother to check out Dr. Jensen and read about her patients...like the one diagnosed as suffering from ADHD at age thirteen and had been prescribed every drug available up to age 15 with no improvement. He couldn't even attend school. She treated him with cannabis in food and candy form and he improved to the point where he now regularly attends school.

Are you saying these kids are smoking marijuana at school?
Of course not and that shows that you didn't bother to read the transcript I posted or to check out the reference I cited for yourself. The cannabis is usually in peanut butter spread on a slice of toast before the child leaves for school.

No where in California is there any children using marijuana for the treatment of ADHD/ADD.
I just cited the example of one of her patients above. She is only one doctor of many in California. I find it interesting that you claim to work in this field, yet you are unaware of the Cannabis MD Reports in California. How can that be?

Ritalin has never directly killed anyone. Ritalin does not posses enough amphetamine to produce death. All the deaths that have been attributed to Ritalin were by suicide
Again, your knowledge for someone who claims to work in this field is sorely lacking.
There have been at least 19 cases of sudden death in children taking Methylphenidate (Ritalin) in 2005...They did not commit suicide. They died from heart attacks caused by Methylphenidate (Ritalin). Between 1990 and 2000 there were 186 deaths from Methylphenidate (Ritalin) reported to the FDA MedWatch program...They did not commit suicide. They died of heart attacks caused by Methylphenidate (Ritalin).

Don't take on an issue with someone who works in that field unless you bring ammunition to the arguement
I believe my ammo is doing just fine. So far all you've done is shoot blanks.

I'll finish with with a quote from a guy who really does work in that field you claim...Jay R. Cavanaugh, Ph.D.
"Cannabis can provide unique help with some childhood disorders including cancer but also attention deficit disorder and autism. These latter disorders are currently treated with powerful stimulants such as amphetamine in the first case and with brain numbing toxic preparations such as Haldol in the case of autism. Parents of autistic children and children with severe ADHD often are desperate for help with seemingly insurmountable problems. Behavioral therapies while very helpful often fail to relieve the aggressive, indeed violent, behavior and lack of impulse control sometimes associated with these disorders.

Out of sheer desperation, a number of parents have begun trying adjunctive therapy with cannabis for their children. Most activists within the medical cannabis community are frightened by this development for the very real reason that they believe the use of cannabis with children will only increase the efforts of law enforcement to crush the movement. Nothing could be further from the truth. Some childhood behavioral brain disorders are so resistant to traditional treatment and that treatment is often so toxic that virtually any new method that provides real relief is going to result in a groundswell of support for medical cannabis. This is already happening in the autism community.

Imagine a child being given half a dozen psychotropic drugs from Prozac to Haldol to Valium and who continues to break down doors and assault others seemingly without provocation who now responds to therapy with medical cannabis. Imagine the parents of such children contemplating a lock up for their beloved child who now sees that child calm and functional. Loving parents will demand that cannabis be provided to the arsenal their pediatricians and pediatric neurologists already have".
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119 posted on 09/17/2006 10:00:13 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

Here, read this and educate yourself. I've found no research or other studies in which this drug is being used to treat ADD/ADHD, despite your claims.

RESEARCH FINDINGS ON THE IMPACT OF MARIJUANA


Cannabis Sativa


Molecule of the active ingredient
in Marijuana - Tetrahydrocannabinol



Warning to readers of this article:
This article contains information which may upset readers who are either physically or psychologically addicted to marijuana (with or without acknowledging that they are in fact dependant) as well as those who are pro marijuana legalisation.

"No matter what we'd like to believe, there is no such thing as a safe drug. All drugs are poisons and are toxic to some degree. Their anticipated effect is to interfere with or inhibit the body's natural responses or to mask or diminish the symptoms of illness." (John Archer, Bad Medicine, 1995. Simon & Schuster, East Roseville, NSW; ISBN 031805089).

The above statement is true for any drug, whether it be in the form of legally prescribed medications, over-the-counter medications or drugs found in nature.

There has been considerable debate about the medicinal use of marijuana (analgesic, anti inflammatory, hypnotic, sedative, cataleptic and hallucinogenic), it remains to be seen which of the active ingredients in marijuana has the potential to benefit mankind.

This article needs to be read in the context of an ADHD brain - one that is already dysfunctional to start with as evidenced by mounting QEEG, SPECT and functional MRI data.

Contrary to popular belief, marijuana is not harmless and is in fact addictive. According to a study conducted by Dr. Kadden (1997) from the University of Conneticut Health Centre, marijuana addiction is both psychological and physiological. People often fail to notice the effects of cannabis addiction because it's consequences are not as acute or striking as with cocaine or alcohol. It is instead insidious- "it gets into your lifestyle and then you can't get it out" is how some have described it.

Many participants in the three-year study expressed feelings that they could not cope or even function adequately without marijuana, and that their addiction interfered with leading a normal life. Further, they felt that they needed treatment for their addiction.

The following is a brief summary of findings from similar research by pharmacist and neuropsychologist, John Anderson presented at a seminar to the Adult ADD support group in Sydney in 1997. John Anderson died in 2002 and was a strong advocate against the legalisation of marijuana in Australia for the following reasons:

1. Although THC is the active ingredient that causes the high, there are 61 other agents in marijuana (The Psychopharmocology of Herbal Medicine- Spinella 2001 MIT Press). These other constituents vary widely depending on climate, cultivar, soil etc. Since it is not a pure substance, individual reactions vary considerably.

2. CBD & CNN are two of the cannaboids found in marijuana (which according to Anderson) research has demonstrated affects chromosomal structure. In males, it results in spermatogenesis and in women, actively affects the shape of the ovum. The gene that is affected is the same gene implicated in ADHD - on the short arm of chromosome 6.

3. Marijuana alters testosterone levels and males who have ADD tend to have mood swings exacerbated by continued use.

4. Marijuana is fat soluble, and the brain and gonads are the major fatty tissues in the body.

5. Smoking one joint a day, three times a week, for six months, results in changes in brain physiology that can be detected three to five years later.

6. Since marijuana decreases the amount of T-cells in the blood, the immune system is weakened.

7. Marijuana contains 50-70% more carcinogens than tobacco and there is a higher incidence of jaw, throat and tongue cancer among marijuana users.

8. The cardio-vascular system is also adversely affected ' since marijuana deprives the brain of -oxygen. When the blood flow to the brain is decreased by 4% significant problems in terms of brain function result: in dementia patients blood flow is decreased by 4%, ADHD 8-12%, schizophrenia 12-15%, marijuana users 10-15%.

9. Long term users may develop drug induced psychosis (similar to schizophrenia with paranoia and delusions). One in ten of those with drug psychosis will commit suicide unless treated in the first two years (usually poly drug users). Other than those who develop drug induced psychosis and cancer, research demonstrates that all other effects are fully reversible with total abstinence.

10. The adult ADHD brain is primarily characterised by a dopamine and sometimes a serotonin dysfunction. If an ADD adult smokes marijuana, the dopamine receptors are filled with THC instead of dopamine. This exacerbates the problem as it causes an imbalance in other neurotransmitters. There is little point in using medication for ADHD if marijuana smoking continues as the medication becomes ineffective unless massive doses are taken. Increasingly, stronger drugs are required and the progression from marijuana to speed to heroin is likely.

11. 30-40% of substance abusers (marijuana, heroin, methadone) have ADD. There are 18,000 people on methadone. If those with ADD are treated more appropriately, then maybe they can eventually get off methadone, thus actively treating the illness, not the symptoms. (Source: Anderson 1997)

Recent research by Dr Rachel Wilson, University of California at San Francisco, discovered that the main ingredient in cannabis - delta 9- trans-tetrahydrocannabinol- or THC- is very similar in shape to endocannabinoids (naturally occurring cannabinoids in the body), which are involved in many body and brain functions. Cannabinoid receptors are found liberally throughout the body and brain. This is why marijuana smokers report a diverse collection of sensations. Endocannabinoids play an important role in the hippocampus, a part of the brain involved in learning and memory. It is thought that these molecules help lay down new memories by strengthening connections between nerve cells. However, when the brain is flooded with cannabinoids through marijuana use, forgetfulness results. They also appear to tone down the production of certain neurotransmitters, acting like the brakes of a car when the system is racing too fast. Marijuana has also been implicated in the dopaminergic system and it is thought that through a complex chain of events, revs up the dopamine system. One study showed a complex interplay existed between cannabinoids and leptin, a hormone that produces satiety and is probably the reason why marijuana users get the "munchies". (The Brain in the News - Jan,31,2002. Vol. 9, No. 2)

A recent article in the New York Times (Jan 29, 2002) states that for 10-14 percent of the population, marijuana is highly addictive and that the withdrawal symptoms are very similar to what cigarette smokers experience when they quit. These include craving, decreased appetite, sleep difficulty, weight loss, aggression, irritability, restlessness and strange dreams. Could it be that those who have a genetic predisposition to marijuana addiction are the same population of individuals with undiagnosed and untreated ADHD? Is this a way for them to self medicate?

THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SUBSTANCE ABUSE
(PRIMARILY MARIJUANA) AND ADHD

1. 40% of children with ADHD are predisposed to developing substance abuse during adolescence/adulthood.
2. Of the ADHD population that are poly-substance users, 61% smoke marijuana.
3. Many of the behavioural changes in marijuana users are the same as those of ADHD, hence it is often difficult for clinicians to differentiate between ADHD and marijuana use.
4. Specific behavioural changes in cannabis users include:

significant decrease in academic ability

increased depression

increased anxiety

increased impulsivity

respiratory infections increase significantly (colds, sniffles)

short term memory problems increase (forgetfulness, difficulty learning new information)

a-motivational syndrome (lack of interest/enthusiasm in things previously enjoyed)

temporal distortions

reaction time slows

changes in appetite

(Source: Anderson 1997)

Tends to put a crimp in your claim, doesn't it!


139 posted on 09/20/2006 9:28:23 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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