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Terrorist Hiroshima in America?
http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=2143&cid=11&sid=61 ^ | 9/11/06 | Ryan Mauro

Posted on 09/12/2006 12:27:09 PM PDT by standingfirm

In 2005, the mainstream media seemed shocked when a number of news sources, including WorldNetDaily.com released a report about an "American Hiroshima" plot against the United States by Al-Qaeda The plot calls for Al-Qaeda to detonate nuclear weapons on American soil, having arrived over the Mexican border with the assistance of MS-13 gang members. The report claims Al-Qaeda has already obtained a large number of nuclear weapons currently being maintained by Pakistani and Russian scientists.

Why the shock? In November 2002, this author provided similar and nearly identical information to the American public and intelligence agencies compiled from private and open-sources. The result was a research project of an enormous size, summarily published on this site with the entire version published on WorldThreats.com. Thus, we were quite surprised when this report rocked and shocked the mainstream media over two years after we had already published the same information.

Our original report, entitled "Exposing the Next Wave of Spectacular Terrorism: Terrorist Possession of Weapons of Mass Destruction" seems antiquated as it had been tailored to the address the concerns at the onset of Operation Iraqi Freedom, including the possibility of retaliatory terrorist attacks. Although there were several subsequent updates, we have re-compiled our information, now over two years old, to illustrate we sounded this alarm bell in 2002.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americanhiroshima; dirtybomb; islam; jihad; jihadinamerica; jihadist; muslim; nuclear; religionofpeace; rop; terror; terrorism; terrorist; thereligionofpeace; trop; uranium; wmd; yellowcake
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To: Schweinhund
Anyway, I think it is improbable that Al Quaeda uses Nukes or chemical weapons. I thinks this kind of weaponry would cost him too many sympathies in the Muslim world and an organisation like his is too heavily reliant on the support.

I agree with this. On the other hand the majority of the Muslim world think the Jews in collaboration with Bush were responsible for 9/11. Osamas Hiroshima reference has meaning though. I have always thougt it is a means to pave the way and justify a nuclear first strike if he ever decides conditions are ripe and he can get away with it.

21 posted on 09/12/2006 12:49:15 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: sauropod

review


22 posted on 09/12/2006 12:50:54 PM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
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To: DBrow

Let's hope you are right....but once Iran produces or buys a nuke all bets are off. I think Al-Qaida and Iran are busy forming an alliance. They have been housing bin Laden's son and have recently sent him to go to Lebanon by way of Syria.


23 posted on 09/12/2006 12:51:18 PM PDT by standingfirm
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To: etcetera; LS
Maintained how? Where would they get the "spares"?

You weren't supposed to notice that part.

And if they have the correct components to perform "maintenance", then are the weapons in Pakistan or Russia and not in the U.S.?

At SOME point, someone would f*** up.

I've talked to a Special Forces vet who was assigned to deliver SADMs during the Cold War--he labels this scenario "crap," particularly when you're talking about tens of weapons--because there are so many things that can go wrong.

Two of his questions: "What happens if a terrorist smuggling a SADM gets into a car wreck and is seriously injured? What if a terrorist's truck--with the SADM inside--gets stolen while he's taking a leak?"

24 posted on 09/12/2006 12:54:17 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: standingfirm
The so called "suitcase" nuke threat has pretty much been debunked a long time ago. It is mostly resurrected by people wanted to fear monger and sell books.

The smaller a nuclear device is, the most maintenance intensive it becomes. These nuclear devices (which I will not call suitcase/briefcase bombs because that is not what they are) have not been maintained in over 10 years. It is highly likely that they, if they even exist, no longer function.

25 posted on 09/12/2006 12:54:33 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: COEXERJ145
It is mostly resurrected by people wanted to fear monger and sell books.

Have you read Ryan Mauro's website? You just described it.

26 posted on 09/12/2006 12:56:17 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: DBrow
"The most likely scenario is for a nation-state to produce a working nuke suitable for clandestine use, pass it off to an operating terror cell, and that cell would use it within the week before the horde of seekers could sniff it out."

Exactly. Not to labor the point but if such a nuke were used, the group that did it would NOT claim responsibility. They would just sit back and watch the chaos and we would have no one to retaliate against. Then Osama could claim that we deserved it because of Hiroshima while not claiming or disclaiming any responsibility . Or it could be blamed on the Jews. Anyway you look at it we are screwed if they get nukes.

27 posted on 09/12/2006 12:57:04 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

No, I haven't read it but I could have figured as much.


28 posted on 09/12/2006 12:58:24 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: LS
Minitier's book, "Misinformation," blows apart the notion of true "suitcase nukes" being easily smuggled, or used, anywhere.These are much larger than believed, and take incredible arming and operational know-how.

Like this?

The W54 warhead weighed 51-pounds and had an explosive yield of 0.18 kilotons. The projectile in the picture was 30 inches long, 11 inches in diameter, and weighed 76 pounds. The same warhead was used in so called "backpack" nukes and in the Falcon Air to Air missile.

29 posted on 09/12/2006 12:59:32 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: standingfirm

If Binny had nukes he would of used them. Just more internet rumor and fearmongering. It gives the drama queens in the Junk Media something to have today's case of the vapors over.


30 posted on 09/12/2006 1:00:06 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? Samurai? Fascists?)
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To: Schweinhund
Anyway, I think it is improbable that Al Quaeda uses Nukes or chemical weapons. I thinks this kind of weaponry would cost him too many sympathies in the Muslim world and an organisation like his is too heavily reliant on the support.

I don't think it would cost him anything in the Muslim world at all. If it tipped one way or the other, he would probably gain a little support.

31 posted on 09/12/2006 1:00:12 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker
I don't think it would cost him anything in the Muslim world at all. If it tipped one way or the other, he would probably gain a little support.

Only among the really stupid ones. The rest would be rioting to demonstrate their non-support for bin Laden to keep their city from evaporating.

32 posted on 09/12/2006 1:02:14 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
Exactly. Not to labor the point but if such a nuke were used, the group that did it would NOT claim responsibility. They would just sit back and watch the chaos and we would have no one to retaliate against. Then Osama could claim that we deserved it because of Hiroshima while not claiming or disclaiming any responsibility . Or it could be blamed on the Jews. Anyway you look at it we are screwed if they get nukes.

Precisely. MAD doesn't work unless you can assign responsibility. That's why preemptive war is imperative and moral in this situation.

33 posted on 09/12/2006 1:02:22 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Ben Mugged

True "suitcase" nukes has indeed, very small amounts of fissile material in them and are reliant on injected 'hot' neutron sources such as tritium which 1. decay fast, 2. must be replaced, and 3. tend to contaminate other components - hence, regular maintenance is needed for them.

However.

This is only the case of the nukes made in the last 30 years.

The ones most worrisome are those left over from clandestine Soviet infiltration of key locations in the continental US during the 1950s and early 60's. They did this to ensure certain cities were hit even if their bombers were shot down.

Those were bulky, low-yield, and were very robust (lots of fissile material). These are the dangerous ones. One of these kinetic trigger types would make 10 high-yield nukes due to their poor design. But leave them sitting a few decades and you know what? You still get a mushroom cloud - but it's filled with tons of really dirty crap that'll poison the land for centuries.

And for those saying that OBL wouldn't use nukes, well, he had people slit women's throats and kill innocents - so how much can you actually say is beyond him? They will use nukes when they can get one, and it will be as soon as possible.


34 posted on 09/12/2006 1:02:50 PM PDT by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: Schweinhund

If OBL had nukes he would use them. Muslims would be dancing in the streets, again. He would not lose support, but gain many more adherents.


35 posted on 09/12/2006 1:03:04 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: etcetera
Maintained how? Where would they get the "spares"? And if they have the correct components to perform "maintenance", then are the weapons in Pakistan or Russia and not in the U.S.?

Probably in the back room of your local Kwiki Mart or 7-11...
36 posted on 09/12/2006 1:03:09 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: ModelBreaker
"I don't think it would cost him anything in the Muslim world at all. If it tipped one way or the other, he would probably gain a little support."

The Muslim world will go with the winner.

37 posted on 09/12/2006 1:03:24 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: VOA
VOA, the Manhattan Project, the Nazi nuke researchers, and the Japanese nuke team all rejected the dirty bomb concept as not being practical.

If I sprinkle Co60 on an acre of land so that you'd get a lethal dose in one year standing in the middle of it, you'd get a lethal dose in 12 minutes if you had it all scraped up in a shoebox with a stick of dynamite under it. That would be hard to deploy.

If you upped the amount of cobalt so that you'd get a lethal dose in an hour standing in your acre, then the initial package would be lethal in 5 seconds. You have a difficult design for transport and dispersal, especially now that lots of cops have rad detectors in the car or on their belt. Unshielded, that much Co will be detectable for blocks.

And it would take about 100 hospital's worth of Co60 to do that. I suspect that someone would finger you round about hospital #12.

That's considering a real threat. A media howling panic, though, is more likely. In that case, chopping up an old Coleman mantle and sprinkling it on a sidewalk (more than enough to give a Geiger counter the chuckles) would lead a prepared-in-advance media to panic half the nation. Like ABC and their 20 bags of fertilizer. Katie in the studio, and the standout reporter in a bright orange suit with a chattering counter- "It's reading 12, Katie, and that is terribly serious for the residents of Redondo Beach. President Hillary is ordering an evacuation of the southwestern United States, and President Obrador says that he'll commit troops to help..."
38 posted on 09/12/2006 1:03:43 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus
The ones most worrisome are those left over from clandestine Soviet infiltration of key locations in the continental US during the 1950s and early 60's. They did this to ensure certain cities were hit even if their bombers were shot down.

But leave them sitting a few decades and you know what? You still get a mushroom cloud - but it's filled with tons of really dirty crap that'll poison the land for centuries.

Actually, leave them sitting for 40-50 years, and they'll dud--because of contaminants building up from decay that either (a) emit a lot of gammas (which become heat, which in turn evaporates the volatile components out of the explosives), or (b) absorb a lot of neutrons (thus poisoning the chain reaction).

39 posted on 09/12/2006 1:06:09 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Kozak

Or nearest Dearbornistan mosque?


40 posted on 09/12/2006 1:06:52 PM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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