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Why Quantum Mechanics Is Not So Weird after All
Skeptical Inquirer ^ | July 2006 | Paul Quincey

Posted on 09/14/2006 10:27:24 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored

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Light night reading matter...
1 posted on 09/14/2006 10:27:26 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow; grey_whiskers; PatrickHenry; headsonpikes; Iris7; Junior; ...

Ping...


2 posted on 09/14/2006 10:28:31 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Im hammered and QM just made sense. truly a good night
3 posted on 09/14/2006 10:32:15 PM PDT by varyouga (I no longer fear death. I only fear the day when the DUmmies take over.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

But why did they need to kill the rabbit in the box. Could they use a paint gun to mark him her or it.


4 posted on 09/14/2006 10:33:12 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I did use spell check!)
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To: snarks_when_bored

I'm going to see if my head tunnels through my pillow by tomorrow morning.


5 posted on 09/14/2006 10:33:52 PM PDT by MilesVeritatis (War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things...." - John Stuart Mill)
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To: ThomasThomas

Rabbit?


6 posted on 09/14/2006 10:35:29 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

Need to save for tomorrow.


7 posted on 09/14/2006 10:36:05 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: snarks_when_bored
Already posted
8 posted on 09/14/2006 10:36:54 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: snarks_when_bored

I always liked Feynman.


9 posted on 09/14/2006 10:38:20 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: martin_fierro

"Already posted"

Heh! Those tricky electrons!


10 posted on 09/14/2006 10:39:34 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: martin_fierro

Purity of heart is to will one thing...(laugh)...


11 posted on 09/14/2006 10:40:28 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

Too tired for this tonight, maybe tomorrow.


12 posted on 09/14/2006 10:40:44 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: snarks_when_bored
"QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter" is one of the most concise, yet readable, Physics for the Layperson texts I have ever read.

Thanks to Snarks for a great article.

Now, can anyone go over spin-orbit coupling with me?

Cheers!

13 posted on 09/14/2006 10:41:27 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Kirkwood

He was a oner, fer sure...


14 posted on 09/14/2006 10:41:43 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Jaguarbhzrd

Watch "what the bleep down the rabbit hole" and call it good


15 posted on 09/14/2006 10:44:18 PM PDT by veryconernedamerican
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To: grey_whiskers

I need to read QED again...and I would if I could find the box it's hiding in!


16 posted on 09/14/2006 10:45:06 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

Somebody's uncertainly principle. I'll remember tonight if I wake around 2am.


17 posted on 09/14/2006 10:45:23 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I did use spell check!)
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To: snarks_when_bored
"It is rather revealing that one of the few novel quantum phenomena is a means of cryptography-a way of concealing a signal rather than sending one."

Great article except for that one line which should read that quantum phenomena is a means of cryptography-a way of detecting if a signal has been intercepted...

18 posted on 09/14/2006 10:48:38 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ThomasThomas
Maybe you're thinking of Schrödinger's Cat?
19 posted on 09/14/2006 10:48:56 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

Innerestin'


20 posted on 09/14/2006 10:55:11 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: snarks_when_bored
Maybe you're thinking of Schrödinger's Cat?

Yes I found this http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/02/27/quantum-interrogation/

While trying to look it up. He tries to feed a sleeping puppy.
21 posted on 09/14/2006 10:55:57 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I did use spell check!)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Public libraries are your friend.

So is Amazon.

Cheers!

22 posted on 09/14/2006 10:57:43 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: snarks_when_bored

I enjoyed Richard Feynman, myself, he wrote so the lay person could comprehend it.

Leaving aside the subject of Quantum Mechanics, I enjoyed also, reading and learning a bit, about fractals.

Fractals are amazing, and when one Journal said that they were studying oatmeal, and didn't elucidate on the oatmeal, I was sort of P'Oed, until, when eating oatmeal the next morning, I intentionally examined the oats and discovered that each oat had the little branch, like a tree, which had a smaller branch and then from that, a smaller, identical branch....


23 posted on 09/14/2006 11:07:11 PM PDT by onyx eyes ( .....they found a live-seemingly, Bacteria type, in rocks. Recently.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Public libraries are your friend.

So is Amazon.

Neither helps for this evening's reading, though...

But, hey, there's world enough, and time...

24 posted on 09/14/2006 11:09:25 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

I switched to this thread from the Mideast daily thread....makes more sense....thanks for posting the article...will read it again tomorrow.


25 posted on 09/14/2006 11:11:35 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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mark for later..


26 posted on 09/14/2006 11:15:47 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: onyx eyes
...I intentionally examined the oats and discovered that each oat had the little branch, like a tree, which had a smaller branch and then from that, a smaller, identical branch....

...which for some reason reminds me of this bit of de Morgan doggerel:

Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.

27 posted on 09/14/2006 11:16:43 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

bump for later read. good article catch.


28 posted on 09/14/2006 11:17:36 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: snarks_when_bored

I love this stuff. Thanks. I hope you will post more...


29 posted on 09/14/2006 11:20:05 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: snarks_when_bored
...which for some reason reminds me of this bit of de Morgan doggerel: Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em, And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.

No, Fractals really are, like that.... they showed coastlines, snowflakes, and talked about the double universe....

30 posted on 09/14/2006 11:26:01 PM PDT by onyx eyes ( .....they found a live-seemingly, Bacteria type, in rocks. Recently.)
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31 posted on 09/14/2006 11:35:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Good article.

I would like to read more of the same caliber.

Thanks for posting it.


32 posted on 09/14/2006 11:37:33 PM PDT by siznartuf (If I Hear "Jobs Americans Won't Do" One More ^%&^%^%# Time)
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To: onyx eyes
I was kidding around...

As for fractals, you might enjoy this:

Andrei Linde, The Self-Reproducing Inflationary Universe" (PDF)

33 posted on 09/14/2006 11:44:16 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: TXFireman

ping


34 posted on 09/14/2006 11:56:44 PM PDT by Jonx6
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To: snarks_when_bored; Ultra Sonic 007
Of course, there is now a new big question of how one of the possibilities in the future is selected to form what we see as the present and what becomes the past, but we should not see the lack of a ready answer as a fault of quantum mechanics. This is a question that is large enough, encompassing such ideas as fate and free will, to be set aside for another time

Convenient. It can not, nor will it ever be answered by the mind of man, so "a later time" equates to eternity.
Perhaps it is all as simple as each particle's instantaneous verification with the Will of God. It is an explanation that will remain no further from the truth as any other untestable explanation conceived of by man. It appears there are limits to what we are allowed to know.

35 posted on 09/14/2006 11:56:56 PM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

To human eyes, too much of light
Is blinding as the blackest night.
And this is so, too, of the mind,
In total ignorance it's blind.
But more truth than it can absorb
Will overwhelm the mental orb.
So, lest our vision burn to ashes
God shows us truth in bits and flashes,
White revelations that the brain
Can comprehend and yet stay sane.
And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon
Who scarce can bear its crescent moon.
-- "White Revelations," by Georgia Starbuck Galbraith.


36 posted on 09/15/2006 12:00:36 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Parsimony in one's assumptions is a not unworthy aim...


37 posted on 09/15/2006 12:29:56 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

btt


38 posted on 09/15/2006 1:17:53 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: snarks_when_bored

BTTT


39 posted on 09/15/2006 1:44:22 AM PDT by Dajjal
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To: snarks_when_bored

for later


40 posted on 09/15/2006 1:46:30 AM PDT by quietolong
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To: snarks_when_bored

for later


41 posted on 09/15/2006 1:52:05 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: martin_fierro
LOL!
42 posted on 09/15/2006 2:18:54 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: martin_fierro; snarks_when_bored
Has either of you read "Timeline" by Crichton? It has a very interesting story based on quantum mechanics and quantum theory. While it's a fascinating topic, it's still beyond most people. Crichton has a knack for explaining it in such a way that everyone can get a grasp of it. Such an excellent writer. I recommend the book, it's very enjoyable.
43 posted on 09/15/2006 2:23:03 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: onyx eyes
"But what's between the branches?"

"Nothing. It's branches, all the way down."

44 posted on 09/15/2006 2:33:18 AM PDT by Erasmus (It takes branes to make an alternate universe!)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Right On. Every time I read that little gem I love it.


45 posted on 09/15/2006 2:35:32 AM PDT by FreeRadical (Pray. Make Babies. Teach. Repeat.)
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To: onyx eyes

Thenks fer the inspiration fer the new tagline.


46 posted on 09/15/2006 2:35:34 AM PDT by Erasmus (I invited Benoit Mandelbrot to the Shoreline Grill, but he never got there.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Sometimes the path not taken is not taken for a reason. Like, it's scary.


47 posted on 09/15/2006 2:41:21 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: snarks_when_bored
All I know about physics is Murphy's Law. All I know about Murphy's Law is two things:

Murphy has a personal grudge against me.

Murphy's First Law is "P!$$ on Hardastarboard".

48 posted on 09/15/2006 2:43:47 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Do not try to understand something outside of its exact mathematical model.

The math works, the layman's interpretation does not.


BUMP

49 posted on 09/15/2006 2:44:53 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: snarks_when_bored
The final point is a little vague but more fundamental. If we accept that the future is not fixed, we expect it to contain surprises. Crudely speaking, this is not very plausible in a world where particles have continuous trajectories and an infinite amount of information is freely available. It is much more plausible in a world that is in some way discontinuous, where the available information is limited.

The future is not yet set. What a hopeful thing!

Perhaps this is how God gave us "free will" and how Einstein was misguided in saying that "God does not play dice with the universe".

50 posted on 09/15/2006 5:59:38 AM PDT by glorgau
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