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Chirac says Iran should not be referred to Security Council during talks
Mainichi Daily News ^ | 9/18/06 | Mainichi Daily News

Posted on 09/18/2006 3:33:51 AM PDT by Nextrush

PARIS-French President Jacques Chirac suggested Monday that the international community renounce referring Iran to the U.N. Security Council during nuclear talks-and that Iran, in return, suspend uranium enrichment.

"I don't believe in a solution without dialogue," Chirac said on Europe-1 radio, suggesting that the international community suspend the threat of U.N. sanctions in exchange for Iran's suspension of enrichment during negotiations.

"I am not pessimistic," Chirac said. "I think that Iran is a great nation, an old culture, an old civilization, and that we can find solutions through dialogue."

He suggested that, firstly an agenda for talks be set forth by both sides, Iran and the six nations currently involved in the issue--France, Germany, Britain, Russia, China and the United States.

"We must, on the one hand, together, Iran and the six countries, meet and set an agenda, then start negotiations. Then during these negotiations, I suggest that the six renounce referring (Iran to) the U.N. Security Council and that Iran renounce uranium enrichment during negotiations," Chirac said.

The French president spoke before heading to New York for the U.N. General Assembly.........

(Excerpt) Read more at mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp ...


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What was that nation the Ayatollah Khomeni lived in before he took power in Iran?...Freence, Frince, ah France.....
1 posted on 09/18/2006 3:33:52 AM PDT by Nextrush
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To: Nextrush
"I think that Iran is a great nation, an old culture, an old civilization, and that we can find solutions through dialogue."

Chirac constantly refers to this train of thought about how an old country constitutes "a great nation". In his demented corrupt mind present day realities are meaningless. This must be a french disease, where a glorious past trumps a mediocre or failed State.
2 posted on 09/18/2006 3:38:20 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: Nextrush
"I think that Iran is a great nation, an old culture, an old civilization, and that we can find solutions through dialogue."

Ah, the words of a coward who doesn't want to face the last 25 years of reality.

3 posted on 09/18/2006 3:38:58 AM PDT by kempster
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To: Nextrush

4 posted on 09/18/2006 3:41:48 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Nextrush

What a spineless creature.


5 posted on 09/18/2006 3:45:54 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Nextrush

so what's up Jack?
You and your cronies making loads of dough off Iran similar to how you did with Iraq? YOu gonna sell out the west for a profit once again?
Crapass weasels is what I see when I think france.


6 posted on 09/18/2006 3:56:32 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Nextrush
Then during these negotiations, I suggest that the six renounce referring (Iran to) the U.N. Security Council and that Iran renounce uranium enrichment during negotiations," Chirac said.

Just unbelievable!

7 posted on 09/18/2006 3:56:44 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Get out the GOP vote in 2006, Say "No!" to Speaker Pelosi)
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To: Nextrush

Boy that was a good idea giving them a seat on the security council. /s


8 posted on 09/18/2006 3:58:23 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Nextrush

Does anybody have a rational explanation for France's perrenial support of wackjob regimes? I've got the coward thing, the stupid thing, etc. Does anyone have a rational explanation?


9 posted on 09/18/2006 4:01:04 AM PDT by Axhandle
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To: RobFromGa

What kind of world does Chirac live in. I wouldn't trust anything that Iran says anyway.

The BBC was hyping Chirac's comments on the radio at around 5:30 this morning eastern time. They're probably more friendly to the Iranian fanatics than Chirac.

Now they are plugging it on TV as I write this.


10 posted on 09/18/2006 4:04:23 AM PDT by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high...... I get high.....I get high.....McCain.")
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To: Axhandle
I think it's simply the same mentality.
11 posted on 09/18/2006 4:08:58 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Axhandle
Does anybody have a rational explanation for France's perrenial support of wackjob regimes?

Multiple millions of muslims in France.

Personally, I suspect if it is not too late already, it will be soon.

“The lights are going out all over Europe. We shall not see them lit again in our lifetime”
- British Foreign Secretary Sir Edward Grey in the gathering dusk of August 4 1914

12 posted on 09/18/2006 4:12:23 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Nextrush

Chirac is backsliding again. The silence from him for awhile was so refreshing but I suppose that's over now.


13 posted on 09/18/2006 4:21:15 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: mainepatsfan

"I think it's simply the same mentality."

I would disagree. I think that the French, especially their politicians, think that they are smartr and more "diplomatic" than "those upstart Americans". They think they should be the rightful leaders of the free world. Thus, they will do anything, including imperiling the world, to get their rightful status back.

In this sense they are much like the Dims in this country. They are so bent on rgaining power that they will sell out anybody- including the rest of the world!


14 posted on 09/18/2006 4:21:43 AM PDT by Laserman
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To: Nextrush

Love your tag. :)


15 posted on 09/18/2006 4:22:27 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: Laserman

True. They still think they're a super power.


16 posted on 09/18/2006 4:22:52 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Nextrush
"I am not pessimistic," Chirac {Chamberlain} said. "I think that Iran {Germany} is a great nation, an old culture, an old civilization, and that we can find solutions through dialogue."

Worked well in the thirties, why not try it again? Peace in our time.

17 posted on 09/18/2006 4:24:24 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

"we can find solutions through dialogue."



Sure you can. Ask the Pope.


18 posted on 09/18/2006 4:39:43 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Chirac constantly refers to this train of thought about how an old country constitutes "a great nation". In his demented corrupt mind present day realities are meaningless. This must be a french disease, where a glorious past trumps a mediocre or failed State.

The Persians and the French share this deep sense of the loss of Empire and glory - the Persians pine for the days of Cyrus the Great and the Frogs for the days of Charlemagne or at least Louis XIV or Napoleon Bonaparte.

All periods of despotism. As well pine for the Roman Empire under Caligula or Nero. It is no accident that the American Founders looked not to such examples, but to the England of Magna Charta and the Glorious Revolution, and to the Roman Republic. Even the Germans, for all their faults, romanticized not empire but the prehistoric liberties of the Germanic tribes with elected kingship and a rough equality among warrior citizens.

19 posted on 09/18/2006 4:43:10 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Joe Boucher

Is it possible that Chirac is so stupid that he doesn't even know he is being played for a fool?Maybe the French ARE being bought and paid for again.


20 posted on 09/18/2006 4:54:52 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: Nextrush

21 posted on 09/18/2006 5:01:47 AM PDT by Mo1 (Think about it .. A Speaker Nancy Pelosi could be 2 seats away from being President)
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To: Laserman

I totally agree. Further, this is not just an affliction of the French. It pervades academia. "We're more thoughtful and educated than those unenlightened people that just don't get it." They are lost in their own dogma.

I don't know if such a book exists or not, but it would be very interesting to see a compiled listing of all the positions vehemently held and defended by the 'enlightened' over the past 500 years, and compare those to what the historical realities turned out to be. Marxism is just one example.


22 posted on 09/18/2006 5:19:37 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

AND THAT'S WHY...He speaks so!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurodif

Eurodif

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Eurodif, which means European Gaseous Diffusion Uranium Enrichment Consortium, is a subsidiary company of French company Cogéma which exploits a uranium enrichment plant established in the nuclear site of Tricastin in Pierrelatte in Drôme. The nuclear site of Pierrelatte includes many nuclear installations of which most imposing are the nuclear thermal power station of Tricastin and the Eurodif fuel factory.

Enriched uranium is the preferred fuel for pressurized water reactors, a common nuclear power technology.

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History

In 1973 France, Belgium, Spain and Sweden formed the joint stock company EURODIF. Sweden withdrew from the project in 1974. In 1975 Sweden’s 10 per cent share in EURODIF went to Iran as a result of an arrangement between France and Iran. The French government subsidiary company Cogema and the Iranian Government established the Sofidif (Société franco–iranienne pour l’enrichissement de l’uranium par diffusion gazeuse) enterprise with 60 per cent and 40 per cent shares, respectively. In turn, Sofidif acquired a 25 per cent share in EURODIF, which gave Iran its 10 per cent share of EURODIF.

In 1974, the Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi lent 1 billion dollars (and another 180 million dollars in 1977) for the construction of the factory, to have the right to buy 10% of the production. After the Islamic revolution of 1979, Iran's government suspended its payments and attempted to obtain a refund for the loan by pressuring France by handling terrorist groups. Finally an agreement was reached in 1991: France refunded more than 1,6 billion dollars. Iran remains a shareholder of Eurodif via Sofidif, a Franco-Iranian consortium shareholder which owns 25 % of Eurodif.

The factory, named after Georges Besse, provides forty producers of electricity in the world, including EDF, France's largest electric power company.

Naturally occurring Uranium, contains 0.7% of Uranium 235. Currently, it is enriched up to 5% by a gas diffusion process using uranium hexafluoride (UF6). However, France will abandon the gas diffusion process currently used by the Eurodif factory for a process by centrifugation. The project announced by Areva to make the change, was the subject of a public discussion in the Rhône-Alpes region from September 1 to October 22, 2004. The advantage of this new process is the lesser consumption of energy: Eurodif currently uses the power generated by all three of Tricastin's nuclear reactors, whereas the centrifuge-based plant could make similar amounts of uranium with only 50 MW.

The estimated schedule, which plans for the first output of the George Besse II plant at the end of 2007, seems to be facing some delay because of safety studies concerning the risk of seismic activity, criticality in the fuel enrichment process, and the risk of a plane-based terrorist attack; these were mandated by the nuclear safety authority.

Dismantling the original Eurodif facility is planned to be completed by the end of 2020.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurodif"

23 posted on 09/18/2006 5:31:54 AM PDT by Traianus (YES I GOT HIM! MUHAMMAD IS 666....)
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To: Nextrush

What was that nation that gave Arafat's wife a home away from home all those years?


24 posted on 09/18/2006 5:32:24 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Nextrush

25 posted on 09/18/2006 5:45:16 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Nextrush

The United States should start bombing Iran's nuclear development sites now, and keep bombing them until they are pulverized. At the same time, we should bomb their oil pipelines, completely shutting down their oil export business.

Iran is a neo-Nazi state which sponsors terrorism. It must not be allowed to obtain or build nuclear weapons. The UN is a joke. Negotiating with Iran, Hezbollah, etc. is idiocy.


26 posted on 09/18/2006 5:45:43 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: Nextrush
"I don't believe in a solution without dialogue," Chirac said

I don't believe there is a solution to deal with Iran that includes France. Jacques can "dialog" till he's blue....empty talk won't solve anything.

27 posted on 09/18/2006 5:52:04 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: Nextrush

Wasn't there some Iranian 'deadline' that recently passed? What happended to that?

Maybe we need to set another deadline. or two. In the interim, I'm so glad that Kim il, Amanutjob, and Chavez are getting along swimmingly.

Fifty years from now the histor books will state:
"After the end of the Islamic/Western World War IV in 2014, the U.S. dissolved the United Nations from it shores. The UN fell into the proverbial 'dustbin' in similar fashion and rationale as the League of Nations. The U.S. state department, under the administration of President Coburn, concluded that muslim world had been responsible for over 20-40 million deaths, to which there had been no response by the world body. In a dramatic fashion, President Saddam Hussein, in his triumphant return in 2009 to the Iraqi presidency after the Sectarian Civil War of 2008, had attempted to have himself nominated as the new Secretary General of the UN. After repeated reports of Saddam walking out on his table at the local deli, American officials quietly began the seeds for the transfer of the UN charter to Uganda." ------ "Seeds in the Desert"-Henry Kissinger, Jr. 2056.


28 posted on 09/18/2006 6:24:34 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: All

We're attacking him here, but he hasn't said anything wrong. If Iran suspends uranium enrichment during talks, that has the same result as a referral to the SC, imposition of sanctions, and them suspending uranium enrichment in order to get the sanctions removed.

In either case, suspension of enrichment is the goal and it would be achieved.


29 posted on 09/18/2006 6:25:25 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen
In either case, suspension of enrichment is the goal and it would be achieved.

Chances are that A'Job will step in it, as a result of his rhetorical flourishes during his upcoming speech at the U.N.

We won't have long to wait.

30 posted on 09/18/2006 6:35:06 AM PDT by Cold Heat (I just analyze it, I did not create the mess...so go pound sand:-))
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To: kempster

Not to mention losing all of those billions of contracts France has with iran. They'd make the french economy tank right quick.


31 posted on 09/18/2006 6:38:16 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ('... we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back' - Abu Ghraib Prisoner)
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To: Nextrush
What a typical wiener statement by the king of the wussie Fwench.

So basically he wants to surrender before we start, so that he could declare it a 'victory'.

Exactly what the entire world has come to expect of that whole country.
32 posted on 09/18/2006 6:39:28 AM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: RobFromGa
during negotiations,"

Are these the same negotiations that the Iranian "negotiator" was laughing at the "EU3" about not 6 months ago because they'd bought 2 years of time to advance their nuclear program?

He laughed at England, France and Germany on international television no less.

Fools never learn.

33 posted on 09/18/2006 6:40:42 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ('... we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back' - Abu Ghraib Prisoner)
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To: Axhandle
Does anybody have a rational explanation for France's perrenial support of wackjob regimes?

$$$

34 posted on 09/18/2006 6:41:26 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ('... we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back' - Abu Ghraib Prisoner)
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To: Owen
We're attacking him here, but he hasn't said anything wrong.

That's goofy

35 posted on 09/18/2006 6:42:49 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ('... we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back' - Abu Ghraib Prisoner)
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To: Owen
Thats not exactly accurate.

We say they have to stop enrichment, and that continued enrichment is unacceptable... period.

We demand they stop, and then we will talk about what they 'get in return'.

The fWench are saying Iran should temporarily put on hold the activity, while we discuss what they get in return.

Just like Iran used the 2yrs talking to the EU3 to finish everything except the enrichment they 'promised to temporarily suspend' (ie purchase all the centrifuges, assemble them, construct hard water facilities, etc) and then BRAGGED about duping the 'idiots' in Europe by getting it all done by only promising to talk about it with us as they did it.
36 posted on 09/18/2006 6:48:10 AM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

The friend of my enemy is not my friend.

Or something like that.


37 posted on 09/18/2006 6:48:10 AM PDT by oosamon
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To: Nextrush

Chirac has his head in a dark place.


38 posted on 09/18/2006 6:50:35 AM PDT by golfisnr1 (look at a map)
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To: Nextrush

39 posted on 09/18/2006 6:50:45 AM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: Nextrush

Always remember to disinfect anything touched by scum...


40 posted on 09/18/2006 7:19:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Nextrush
Put me on the "shocked, shocked" that France would stab the civilized world in the back, again list. BTW, what is France doing on the Security Council as a permanent member.

Is the Vichey government still in power?
41 posted on 09/18/2006 9:15:40 AM PDT by jackieaxe (Unsourced reporting is not reporting but a lie or a manipulation)
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To: Nextrush

42 posted on 09/18/2006 9:22:47 AM PDT by Lucky9teen ("War is about killing & destroying their property, not about covering your asses in a conf. room")
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To: Nextrush

Dialogue? They already told us, "No, no, no, and NO."


43 posted on 09/18/2006 10:00:06 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault

There will be dialogue after Iran bombs Israel


44 posted on 09/18/2006 10:13:48 AM PDT by JaneNC
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To: Owen
We're attacking him here, but he hasn't said anything wrong.

That may well be technically true, however...

If Iran suspends uranium enrichment during talks, that has the same result as a referral to the SC, imposition of sanctions, and them suspending uranium enrichment in order to get the sanctions removed.

In either case, suspension of enrichment is the goal and it would be achieved.

*THAT* is a mighty big "if", and given the tone *and* content of Iran's leadership, extreme doubts obtain that Iran would abide by such. Ergo, to anyone with a moiety of commonsense, its a non-starter, thus making M. Chirac to appear either duplicitous, or a complete and utter fool (take your pick)...

the infowarrior

45 posted on 09/18/2006 12:36:56 PM PDT by infowarrior (The GOP runs the US, the Dems run their mouths... Freeper HardStarboard)
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To: Nextrush

How about that they feel Iran should be respected but also how they must stop their relentless rhetoric about nuking Israel from the map? Oh that's right, we are talking about the French here that would make too much sense... Right now in the West you really only have the USA, Great Britain, Australia, Japan and Poland who have a clue as to what the deal is with Iran...


46 posted on 09/18/2006 1:37:16 PM PDT by quantfive
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To: Nextrush
The only left is the Iranian march down the Champs Elysées.
47 posted on 09/18/2006 4:20:48 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: jordan8

The only THING left is the Iranian march down the Champs Elysées.


48 posted on 09/18/2006 4:21:39 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: Nextrush

I didn't read the article but I'm trying to think of this maroon's name --- is it Fuque Chirac? That sounds right since that's what everyone seems to say all the time.


49 posted on 09/18/2006 9:08:32 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: CatoRenasci

"The Persians and the French share this deep sense of the loss of Empire and glory - the Persians pine for the days of Cyrus the Great and the Frogs for the days of Charlemagne or at least Louis XIV or Napoleon Bonaparte."
~~
I pine for the days of the French Revolution when the people rose up and escorted these prissy politicians to meet the new invention, the guillotine! We could use a repeat of that.


50 posted on 09/18/2006 9:16:43 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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