Go back to DU, troll!
Posted on 09/18/2006 8:23:58 AM PDT by Borges
Al Qaeda militants in Iraq vowed war on "worshippers of the cross" and protesters burned a papal effigy on Monday over Pope Benedict's comments on Islam, while Western churchmen and statesmen tried to calm passions.
The statement by an umbrella group led by Iraq's branch of al Qaeda came after the Pontiff said on Sunday he was deeply sorry Muslims had been offended by his use of a medieval quotation on Islam and holy war.
"We tell the worshipper of the cross (the Pope) that you and the West will be defeated, as is the case in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya," said a Web statement by the Mujahideen Shura Council.
"We shall break the cross and spill the wine ... God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome ... (May) God enable us to slit their throats, and make their money and descendants the bounty of the mujahideen," said the statement, posted on Sunday on an Internet site often used by al Qaeda and other militant groups.
In Iraq's southern city of Basra, up to 150 demonstrators chanted slogans and burned a white effigy of the Pope.
"No to aggression!," "We gagged the Pope!," they chanted in front of the governor's office in the Shi'ite city. The protesters also burned German, U.S., and Israeli flags.
A speech by Pope Benedict last Tuesday was seen as portraying Islam as a religion tainted by violence, causing dismay among Muslim states where some religious leaders called it the start of a new Christian crusade against Islam.
The Vatican has instructed its envoys in Muslim countries to explain Pope Benedict's words on Islam.
Benedict's new Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, said the Holy See's nuncios (ambassadors) in Muslim countries would be visiting government and religious leaders.
French President Jacques Chirac refused on Monday to criticize the 79-year-old Pontiff, but called for a more diplomatic use of language.
"It is not my role or my intention to comment on the Pope's statements. I simply want to say, on a general level ... that we must avoid anything that excites tensions between peoples or between religions," Chirac said on Europe 1 radio.
"We must avoid making any link between Islam, which is a great, respected and respectable religion, and radical Islamism, which is a totally different activity and one of a political nature," Chirac added.
ARCHBISHOP DEFENDS POPE
The head of the world's Anglican church, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, defended Benedict.
"The Pope has already issued an apology and I think his views on this need to be judged against his entire record, where he has spoken very positively about dialogue," said Williams, the spiritual leader of 77 million Anglicans worldwide.
Williams told the BBC that all faiths could be distorted, and the Pope was simply giving an example of that.
"There are elements in Islam that can be used to justify violence, just as there are in Christianity and Judaism."
In Iran, a government spokesman said on Monday Pope Benedict's regret was a "good gesture" but not enough.
The Pope had referred to criticism of the Prophet Mohammad by 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who said everything the Prophet brought was evil "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
Questions had been raised on whether a papal visit to Turkey in November could go ahead, but the government, while calling his remarks "ugly," said there were no plans to call it off.
The Pope, head of the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics, said the quotation did not represent his personal views, but failed to satisfy some Islamic groups seeking a full apology.
In Somalia, an Italian nun was killed on Sunday in an attack one Islamist source said could be linked to the dispute. A Vatican spokesman hoped the killing was "an isolated event."
A senior Chinese Muslim expressed anger over the Pope's comments, Xinhua news agency said on Monday. This was in contrast to Chinese reticence over last year's publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a Danish paper that sparked violent Muslim protests elsewhere in the world.
"In his speech, Benedict insulted both Islam and the Prophet Mohammad. This has gravely hurt the feelings of the Muslims across the world, including those from China," Xinhua quoted Chen Guangyuan, president of the Islamic Association of China, as saying.
China insists its Catholics belong to a state-backed church that does not recognize the Pope's authority. Muslims are also under state control.
About 100 Indonesian Muslims protested peacefully over the Pope's remarks outside the Vatican embassy in Jakarta on Monday.
So what's new?
Was 8/22 just postponed one month?
The Holy Father has NOTHING to apologize for in this fracas.
The Islamic response to the pope's message is emblematic of Islam's intolerance and resort to violence as a way of discussing questions of substance.
They are more nihilists than anything else.
"spied"
Is the Vatican naive? They can't calm the militant Muslims except by disappearing from the Earth. The Muslims want to be mad, they're looking for an excuse to be mad, they want to feel justified in their upcoming wholesale murder of Catholics, which has already started in Somalia.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
Pope Julius II was known as the "Warrior Pope". Maybe Pope Benedict will be the next one.
The Vatican has instructed its envoys in Muslim countries to explain Pope Benedict's words on Islam.
Benedict's new Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, said the Holy See's nuncios (ambassadors) in Muslim countries would be visiting government and religious leaders.
Why bother?
The non Muslim world has seen their reaction as affirmation of their penchant for violence, death and destruction.
Typical.
As an example: "My friends! Please! The Holy Father's words must be properly understood, so there can be so confusion! The Holy Father believes in his heart that you are Devil worshipping fanatics who view violence as central to your so-called religion. Thank you."
And right now, you are jacked up on what?
Bring it on!
Welcome to FR.
Time to finish the Crusades!
Is that you Rosie?
It was just on Fox News that Islam is calling for the Pope to be executed. My Gawd...........and they call themelves "The Religion of Peace." What a crock!
These people can't the the irony or hypocricy in they're actions and words.... it's comical and frightening at the same time.
We can test your hypothesis. Let's look at the explicitly anti-religious states throughout history and see if they were peaceful.
Let's see, there was the Soviet Union. Stalin killed 20-80 million.
Then there was Mao's China. 50 million dead there.
Pol Pot's Cambodia. A third of the country dead.
I think we have to reject your hypothesis. May I suggest a new hypothesis? Good religions like Christianity and Judaism tend to improve people's behavior and bad religions like Islam tend to turn people into psychotic killers.
Go back to DU, troll!
Uh, they declared war back in the mid 600s. Untill they rewrite the koranus, it aint gonna change!
Who is Islam?
Crazies like Mother Theresa? It's not religion in general, it's a religion in particular.
So they demonstrated their outrage at being called violent by erupting in violence all over the world?
OK - I'm beginning to change my opinion of Muslims. Perhaps it's just that they're a bunch of retards.
Shalom.
Fidel feels the same way you do! Does this tell you something about yourself?
How about just one religion... say islam?
UM....WHICH religion is doing "crazy stuff?" You're new here, aren't you.
Atheistic Communists only killed 100 million, let's give it another chance.
Yup, like Stalin killing 20 million and Mao killing upwards of 30 million. Those murderous religious fanatics! Oh, wait, they were both atheists!
Riiiiiiiiight!!!
Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim.
Those madcap theists are DANGEROUS all right.
Maybe you're confusing religion with human nature - you know, that thing the Jewish and Christian religions attempt to control?
Shalom.
Denounce? This morning the puke who runs the Dome of the Rock abomination in Jerusalem said that it is time to "Impose the head tax and force the idolaters to accept Islam or accept the Sword". I hate these animals and I hate the people who unceasingly excuse their violence.
My goodness. You waited 4 days after signing on to FR to post. How special is that?
If Jesus is Christ then Mohhamad is a fraud. They really don't need more of an excuse than that to declare war on Christianity.
Many people think that atheists they know are better people than theists they know.
The problem with this is the definiton of 'good' they use is Biblical.
Shalom.
Bless your heart ... what a sense of humor!
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That is what Mohammed did and Muslims have been doing for 1400 years. It is simply the heart of Islam.
If you're going to go to the trouble, compare that to the atrocities committed in the name of atheism. You'll never get close to the 100 million or more that have been eradicated just because the bad guys wanted to.
You're right, some people use religion as their excuse to do evil. Some don't. The appropriate conclusion is that people are inclinde to evil, not that the excuses they use force them to be.
Shalom.
Two words!
Bring it!
Shalom.
Kill 'em all.
Exactly. It's hard to believe that they don't see it, but I guess they really don't.
**We would all be so much better off without religion in the world. People do crazy stuff when they're all jacked up on religion.**
I disagree. We need a belief in God to give us hope!
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