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The Pope then highlighted how history "has condemned such science in the past, and will condemn it in the future, not only because it is devoid of the light of God, but also because it is devoid of humanity."

Amen!

1 posted on 09/18/2006 4:18:15 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 09/18/2006 4:18:49 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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3 posted on 09/18/2006 4:19:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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4 posted on 09/18/2006 4:20:32 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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And Thank you Pontiff, for not bowing to the rabid muslim barbarians.


5 posted on 09/18/2006 4:21:26 PM PDT by pissant
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"I would like to underline the constant support she has given over the course of her two thousand-year history to research aimed at the cure of illnesses and at the good of humanity."

Galileo begs to differ.

6 posted on 09/18/2006 4:27:11 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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My counterexample is Rudy Giuliani.

While he is pro-choice, during his term as Mayor of New York the police arrested everyone for everything. Crime plummeted.


9 posted on 09/18/2006 4:43:29 PM PDT by proxy_user
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The popes statements are eloquently powerful!

He's been making some particularly truthful and poignant points lately.

11 posted on 09/18/2006 4:50:49 PM PDT by TAdams8591
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If one doesn't protect life, then society doesn't care when life it taken.

Capital punishment is actually a signal that the society places and extremely high value on innocent life. And that is the best reason for having it.


12 posted on 09/18/2006 5:02:08 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troo This means praying for them to WIN!)
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22 posted on 09/18/2006 5:42:34 PM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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Bookmarked. I'm going to use this quote when I next mess with my profile. :)

"In the face of the direct suppression of human beings," he continued, "there can be no compromise or prevarication; it is inconceivable for a society to fight crime effectively when it itself legalizes crime in the field of nascent life."

23 posted on 09/18/2006 5:46:36 PM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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One of the most eloquent and overlooked statements from the Pope's Speech in Germany is the following:

"A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures."

Combined with his recent declarations as discussed on this thread, and one can see that the Left in America will find little agreement with the Pope's positions.

28 posted on 09/18/2006 6:24:12 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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You know who commits most of the crimes... gangs. And hispanic Catholics are a huge part of that... Not abortion...


34 posted on 09/18/2006 6:31:43 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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The Pope should read Freakonomics. The author argues the decline of crime in the 90's was the result of Roe v Wade in the 70's. Fewer "unwanted" kids is fewer future criminals.

Not sure I totally agree with the conclusions but the book is interesting.


35 posted on 09/18/2006 6:32:40 PM PDT by xusafflyer (Mexifornian by birth, Hoosier by choice.)
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59 posted on 09/18/2006 6:47:24 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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Gotta love him.We all expected this from John Paul's right hand man.


286 posted on 09/18/2006 10:10:34 PM PDT by fatima
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Oh dear, now he will have the women of America angry at him!


297 posted on 09/18/2006 10:24:02 PM PDT by ladyinred
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"In the face of the direct suppression of human beings," he continued, "there can be no compromise or prevarication; it is inconceivable for a society to fight crime effectively when it itself legalizes crime in the field of nascent life."

Amen!!!

305 posted on 09/18/2006 10:27:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky!)
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Just last week I was contemplating how quiet the Pope had been. I guess he's taking care of that concern!
376 posted on 09/19/2006 12:03:52 AM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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Mother Theresa on Abortion

"But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child - a direct killing of the innocent child - murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another? How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love, and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts. Jesus gave even his life to love us. So the mother who is thinking of abortion, should be helped to love - that is, to give until it hurts her plans, or her free time, to respect the life of her child. The father of that child, whoever he is, must also give until it hurts. By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems. And by abortion, the father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. That father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching the people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. That is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion."

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"Please don't kill the child. I want the child. Please give me the child. I am willing to accept any child who would be aborted, and to give that child to a married couple who will love the child, and be loved by the child. From our children's home in Calcutta alone, we have saved over 3,000 children from abortions. These children have brought such love and joy to their adopting parents, and have grown up so full of love and joy!"

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February 1997 - National Prayer Breakfast in Washington attended by the President and the First Lady. "What is taking place in America," she said, "is a war against the child. And if we accept that the mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another."

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"Any country that accepts abortion, is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what it wants."

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"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."

"America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts -- a child -- as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters" And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign."

(Mother Theresa -- "Notable and Quotable," Wall Street Journal, 2/25/94, p. A14)


382 posted on 09/19/2006 5:28:19 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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For later.

Will catch up on this thread later. But happen to agree with him.

If a society devalues life of its most vulnerable to the point where killing for convenience is a virtue, then there are few vices that it can fight for long. We are seeing that already.
383 posted on 09/19/2006 6:18:43 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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