Posted on 09/18/2006 9:04:25 PM PDT by RWR8189
When you enter a boxing ring, you agree to abide by the rules of boxing. But when you are attacked from behind in a dark alley, you would be a fool to abide by the Marquis of Queensbury rules. If you do, you can end up being a dead fool.
Even with a nuclear Iran looming on the horizon and the prospect that its nuclear weapons will end up in the hands of international terrorists that it has been sponsoring for years, many in the media and in the government that is supposed to protect us have been preoccupied with whether we are being nice enough to the terrorists in our custody.
The issue has been brought to a head by the efforts of Senators John McCain, John Warner, and Lindsey Graham to get us to apply the rules of the Geneva convention to cutthroats who respect no Geneva convention and are not covered by the Geneva convention.
If this was just a case of a handful of headstrong senators, who want us to play by the Marquis of Queensbury rules while we are being kicked in the groin and slashed with knives, that would be bad enough. But the issue of applying the Geneva convention to people who were never covered by the Geneva convention originated in the Supreme Court of the United States.
Article III, Section II of the Constitution gives Congress the power to limit the jurisdiction of federal courts, and Congress has specifically taken away the jurisdiction of the courts in cases involving the detention of illegal combatants, such as terrorists, who are not -- repeat, not -- prisoners of war covered by the Geneva convention.
The Supreme Court ignored that law. Apparently everyone must obey the law except judges. Congress has the power to impeach judges, including Supreme Court justices, but apparently not the guts. Runaway judges are not going to stop until they get stopped.
In short, the clash between Senator McCain, et al., and the President of the United States is more than just another political clash. It is part of a far more general, and ultimately suicidal, confusion and hand-wringing in the face of mortal dangers.
The argument is made that we must respect the Geneva convention because, otherwise, our own soldiers will be at risk of mistreatment when they become prisoners of war.
Does any sane adult believe that the cutthroats we are dealing with will respect the Geneva convention? Or that our extension of Geneva convention rights to them will be seen as anything other than another sign of weakness and confusion that will encourage them in their terrorism?
No one has suggested that we disregard the Geneva convention for people covered by the Geneva convention. The question is whether a lawless court shall seize the power to commit this nation to rules never agreed to by those whom the Constitution entrusted with the power to make international treaties.
The much larger question -- the question of survival -- is whether we have the clarity and the courage to go all-out in self-defense against those who are going all-out to destroy us, even at the cost of their own lives.
There are too many signs that we do not and those signs are visible not only in our political and judicial institutions but throughout American society and western civilization.
Sheltered for years from terrorist dangers that we so much feared after the September 11th attacks, many have come to act as if those dangers do not exist and that we now have the luxury of dismantling the means by which they have been held at bay this long.
In a country where all sorts of individuals and organizations tap into our personal computers and our computerized medical, financial and other records, some have gone ballistic over the fact that the federal government tries to keep track of who is being phoned by international terrorist organizations.
No amount of security precautions can protect us from all the thousands of ways in which terrorists can strike at times and places of their own choosing -- and eventually strike with nuclear weapons. Our only hope is to get advance information from those we capture as to where other terrorists are and how they operate.
Squeamishness about how this is done is not a sign of higher morality but of irresponsibility in the face of mortal dangers.
So there.
Bureaucracies are a way to take smart, wellmeaning people and assure that they act in a way that is stupid.
Eventually it will be necessary for the people to go around the Government to get the job done.
Ping. Yer late. Good stuff from Dr. Sowell, as always.
Precisely.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
He always nails it.
Always.
bttt
Dr. Sowell's columns are always good but he really nailed this one. BRAVO!
I would like to second the Popes insult to Mohammed and
also to add injury to that insult I would like to insult
the idiotic god of the muslims Allah. I would also like to invite injured and insulted muslims to bring their knives to a gunfight.
It seems we have too few members of congress who are "sane adults" - including those who wear the Republican label.
Obviously allowing the leftists to regain control is suicidal, but voting the current ilk back in power would serve to reinforce bad government - unless - maybe - there was a landslide with those of us who do see our congressional - and presidential insanity (illegals) screaming at the top of our lungs the right things to do...
I've got to stop dreaming like this. It's going to make me insane.
Another great article from T Sowell!
Outstanding article from Dr. Sowell. Thanks for posting it.
Now if Irey wins and other Congressional districts around the country defy the lying pollsters and we win More seats rather than the predicted losses....
Maybe with fewer liberal and communist idiots in Congress, this suicidal thinking will be dampened.
I can dream, too....
Commentary thus far has an uncanny ring of polite applause at a tennis match.
Inasmuch as we are at war,invaded by some 30 million illegals, are divided almost entirely in half, have a enemy friendly MSM and are being betrayed by almost all of our allies, do you suppose that the good Dr. Sowell would expect us do a little more than polite applause?
Or am I just being another dang neocon niusance again?
Are the 3 RINOs confused? or do they MEAN to kill us?
How could a former Navy pilot want us to sacrifice our men for NOTHING? Because that would be the effect of McCain's great ideas: Catch the terrorists at great cost in American blood, then let them go for fear of being non-PC.
It's sickening. We should all give the 3 of them a call tomorrow on the toll-free Congressional phone lines!
As for President Bush, I think he's done a smart thing by trying to go along with the Supremes - but making very clear why he thinks they are wrong. I just hope it works.
Thanks for a good article.
They acts as though foreign opposition to our policy is owing to treatment of the thugs we capatured. But they reason reason for opposition has nothing to do with this; it is part of an effort to tie down Gulliver with threads.
Appropriate Teutonic, Anglo-Saxon content-free reply.
Thnx.
Maybe Al Qaeda has formed a PAC that contributes to these fools?
McCain refutes his own argument - he was tortured by Viet Nam, a signatory to the Geneva Convention. What a buffoon. He will never garner the Rep Nomination for Prez after this.
Thank you, Thomas Sowell.
Take that you four fluffy horsemen. And, by the way, don't look for any support from me for President.
Common sense from the great Thomas Sowell.
He always hits it out of the park, and with this one, it's 100 hundred yards out of the stadium.
Terrorists are not, and never have been covered under the Geneva convention.
The Supreme Court ignored legislation that was supposed to keep them from making any type of decision on this.
Congress needs to recall that law, vote on it again, and then tell the Supremes to stick it where the sun don't shine.
The USSC are not our benevolent dictators, and they need to be stopped, because they have become not so benevolent, and more like dictators.
EXACTLY! We should be on the lookout!:-)
These clearly delusional three men need to be stopped yesterday.
BRAVA!
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John McCain, you treasonous bastard, I challenge you or any of your traitorous cohorts...
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Well, it is after midnight on the east coast (actually, it's 5am, but it was midnight when it was posted).
bttt
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What would happen if the President had said at the time, the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction in this matter, reading the Article in the Constitution as he said this? What type of crisis would occur? Would Congress rise up to impeach him? Would the public stand behind him?
When you enter a boxing ring, you agree to abide by the rules of boxing. But when you are attacked from behind in a dark alley, you would be a fool to abide by the Marquis of Queensbury rules. If you do, you can end up being a dead fool.
...The much larger question -- the question of survival -- is whether we have the clarity and the courage to go all-out in self-defense against those who are going all-out to destroy us, even at the cost of their own lives.
There are too many signs that we do not and those signs are visible not only in our political and judicial institutions but throughout American society and western civilization.
Sheltered for years from terrorist dangers that we so much feared after the September 11th attacks, many have come to act as if those dangers do not exist and that we now have the luxury of dismantling the means by which they have been held at bay this long.
...No amount of security precautions can protect us from all the thousands of ways in which terrorists can strike at times and places of their own choosing -- and eventually strike with nuclear weapons. Our only hope is to get advance information from those we capture as to where other terrorists are and how they operate.
Squeamishness about how this is done is not a sign of higher morality but of irresponsibility in the face of mortal dangers
Nailed It!
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If they succeed in their endeavor, and we suffer a horrendous attack, killing many thousand people, I would NOT want to be in their shoes. They ought to think about that.
Squeamishness about how this is done is not a sign of higher morality but of irresponsibility in the face of mortal dangers.
I have been saying for a few years that we will only arise from our PC-induced sleep when the savages whack us over the head with a nuclear firecracker. If 9/11 and nearly 3,000 dead civilians didn't shut the appeasement crowd up for a generation (which, in the initial aftermath I thought it would), nothing else will. I dread the day we wake to find that a city (or several) have gone up in a mushroom cloud. Of course, I wouldn't exactly envy those living in Moslem countries after that, the 72 raisins notwithstanding...because a world of hurt is going to rain down on them shortly thereafter. Of course, that won't help the dead here, just like finding 4 genetically ball-less, senseless ex-Senators/ex-humans strung up on lampposts won't help them.
We are at WAR! What part of this statement do people fail to understand? AAARRRGH!
Taking Sowell's argument another step, we should consider the possibility that the decadence of the government and elites is inimicable to the conduct of the war. In other words, if the present government is going to throw this death-match that we obviously have been fighting from 911, then it behooves the American people to engage a government that will protect our civilization. If these dangerous Supreme Court justices won't be impeached for massively interfering with necessary war-fighting conduct, then maybe it is time for a Second Continental Congress.
Often, defeat in war is enough to motivate overthrow of the existing government, e.g. ousting the Kaiser after WWI, or the Russian Revolution in the same period. The albatross that is the Vietnam War is a burden that would be nullified with a new government. Our corrupt elites (from Enron to those keeping the southern border open for the cheap labor crowd) may also need to be swept from power. The option of a Second Constitutional Congress should not be so easily ignored.
Magooey
I think there are too many variables twixt here and there to predict whether that would entail a bloody civil war or an easy sell. But presently the circumstances exist that will lead in that direction IMO.
I neglected to say "good post." Very prescient.
Bravo! Our enemies are using 'rights and freedoms' to destroy us, and our enemies at home want to give them those rights.
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