Skip to comments.The Future of Kosovo from a Serbian-American Perspective
Posted on 09/23/2006 3:42:26 PM PDT by Bokababe
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"The reality distortion field the Serbs generate over the subject of Kosovo just isn't worth dealing with anymore."
The "reality distortion" field was generated by Clinton from Bosnia and it just got worse.
With class: "Reality distortion"
Reality: "BALD FACED LIES".....
If Hoplite is an expert, why is he most always wrong. And if you trace back the posts, you will see that his information is either wrong, or he follows the offical line, which are in fact, government fabricated stats and reports. He is linked very well with some folks in high places to keep this disinformation going. When he can't answer a question, he drops offline for awhile, consults with these folks and returns with the "O-ficial" line. of Bull..........he's been doing this for years.....
However, seriously, it's a blessing that he is here. Know why, its good exercise to bring up the counters and facts resulting in his retorts. This site is visited by "folks" you wouldn't believe. His retorts, gives the rest an opportunity to counter with solid evidence.......so, I hope he continues to post and provides the rest with the opportunities to post the truth. Otherwise, there would just be silence or everyone agreeing...and that's boring. :)))
Kosovo: Current and Future Status
U.S. Department of State ^ | May 18, 2005 | Nicholas R. Burns
Posted on 05/18/2005 9:10:17 PM PDT by Hoplite
Kosovo: Current and Future Status
R. Nicholas Burns, Under Secretary for Political Affairs
Statement before the House Committee on International Relations
May 18, 2005
Ya, that must be it. I agree with you. Hoplite should continue to post, on this topic and any other that catches his interest, so that he can be exposed as to his opinion on anything as to what he may have an opinion, or, oh the horror, hard factual material.
Hoplite is Under Secretary for Political Affairs? Who knew? I don't think that position pays enough frankly, so I doubt Hoplite is in that position. Just my speculation.
Cliff Kincaid reports at Accuracy In Media:
While the U.S. fights Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. and the United Nations are helping allies of Muslim terrorists come to power in Kosovo, a province of Serbia. This is a foreign policy disaster in the making that you should hope and pray gets some immediate attention from the media. To illustrate the dimensions of the problem, Father Keith Roderick of Christian Solidarity International has testified that Albanian Muslims in Kosovo have been systematically destroying Christian churches and other sites in Kosovo and the Serbian Christian population in the province is being "squeezed down to oblivion." The evidence is on display in a new DVD, "Days Made Of Fear," directed, produced and distributed by Ninoslav Randjelovic.
At the same time, Father Roderick also says that hundreds of new Mosques have been built in Kosovo over the last several years, financed mostly by Gulf Arab money.
The excellent DVD consists of 8 different films, but the most explosive is "Notes About the Rock," on the destroyed and vandalized churches and monasteries in Kosovo. Many of the scenes captured on film are considered the only video documentation on this subject available.
There is no question about the reason for the destruction. The churches were targeted by the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), also known by the acronym UCK. These initials are visible on the ruins, like a calling card. They openly advertise their anti-Christian Jihad, but our media pay no attention.
Writing for the Byzantine Cultural Project and reviewing the DVD, Theodoros Georgiou Karakostas comments, "The footage of ravaged and destroyed Serbian Churches and Monasteries is appalling. The DVD is a shocking affirmation that the American television Networks such as CNN, FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC, and the others are all lined up with the foreign policy establishment and are active practitioners of official censorship. I cannot recall seeing any of the horrifying footage on this DVD on American television."
He adds, "The same U.S. media which continues to attack the Bush administration for lying about the Iraq war, continues to give Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright, Richard Holbrooke, Wesley Clark, and Samuel Berger a pass for their destructive war on Yugoslavia. We should remember also that at the last Democratic National Convention in Boston two years ago, one of the top KLA men was an honored guest of John Kerry.
"The same U.S. media which was appalled by the Taliban's destruction of the 2,000-year-old Buddhist statues has nothing to say about the remarkable Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries which have stood since the period preceding the Ottoman conquests, and which are being systematically destroyed."
Why are the media ignoring what is happening in Kosovo?
One reason, as explained in the book, Media Cleansing: Dirty Reporting, is that the media reported the war wrong and now refuse to report who has really been victimized by it. Another factor is that the much-vilified neoconservatives got Kosovo wrong, too. As I noted in a Media Monitor, "In 1999 the neocons supported the NATO war on Yugoslavia launched by President Clinton. That benefited a Muslim terrorist group, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), with links to Osama bin Laden." The neocons thought they were supporting a tougher and a new NATO.
To compound this tragedy, the Bush Administration has continued the misguided Clinton policy on Kosovo.
Let's remember that Clinton ordered U.S. military intervention in the Balkans against the Christian Serbs on the grounds that "ethnic cleansing" and even "genocide" were being waged against Serbia's neighbors. Most of that was hokum. Serbia, a U.S. ally in World War II, was being ruled by the communist Slobodan Milosevic, who was desperate to hold on to power in the former Yugoslavia, which included Serbia. While Milosevic was a problem, the Clinton "solution" made the problem worse. Clinton gave the green light to military aggression against the Serbs and even ordered the CIA to provide support to the Kosovo Liberation Army, which was allied with Osama bin Laden and radical Islamists. The U.S. bombed Serbia and forced Milosevic, who was later turned over to a U.N. court, to capitulate. Milosevic recently died in a U.N. prison.
Kosovo, like the American southwest, has been deluged by outsiders, who now want political power. In Kosovo they are Albanian Muslims, many of them illegal aliens from neighboring Albania. They want, with U.S. and U.N. support, to turn Kosovo into an independent Muslim state. The Bush Administration should stop-not accelerate-this madness.
If the Albanian Muslims succeed in taking over a province of Serbia, with U.S. and U.N. support, and establishing their own independent and sovereign state, then why should Mexicans balk at taking over the U.S. southwest? They must figure, with good reason, that the U.N. can be counted on to help them.
The cover-up of the persecution of Christians in Kosovo is another scandal for the media. It shows that when they agree with the Bush foreign policy, which in this case involves the establishment of a Muslim state in Europe and is a continuation of the Clinton foreign policy, they will utter NOT one word of criticism.
Step by Step.......ottomans now, as planned by the Globalist, next step run the Serbs out, and eventually Serbo-Croatian will no longer be needed. This is relatively going to happen in the short term.
Turkish Becomes Official Language in Kosovo
By Cihan News Agency
Saturday, September 23, 2006
Turkish has become one of the official languages in Kosovo following the approval of a proposal in Kosovos parliament on Thursday.
The parliament adopted the proposal by a majority, allowing Turkish to be the third official language in the region, along with Albanian and Serbo-Croatian.
The Kosovo parliament had rejected the same proposal twice before, the second rejection being on Sept. 14, which prompted Ankara to express their disappointment earlier this week.
Around 15,000 ethnic Turks live in Kosovo. They have had a long-standing desire for their language to be used in official documents.
Following the rejection of the proposal last week, the Turkish foreign ministry on Tuesday urged the Kosovo parliament to discuss the issue again and stressed the importance that Turkey attributed to the issue.
Turkish was declared official in Kosovo in 1974, but the U.N. administration in Kosovo removed it from the official languages in 1999.
Kosovo has been under the NATO-led multinational Kosovo Force (KFOR) since 1999 following a NATO bombing campaign that drove out Serbian forces, who were accused of ethnic cleansing. Albanians constitute almost 90 percent of Kosovo's two million people.
Turkey has had 350 peacekeepers deployed in Kosovo as part of the 17,500-strong NATO-led peacekeeping force since 1999. The force is responsible for establishing and maintaining security in Kosovo.
For further information please visit http://www.cihannews.com
there is so much disinformation from so many sides, it's almost mindboggling. The problem arises, for anyone; that when ones "ego" or "reputation" is challenged, a person may grab on too tightly for "personal" reasons, instead of being open minded that he or she just might not have all the facts, and be willing to concede to a point or spawn an epiphany; not to be confused with a medical condition requiring surgery.....:))) Okay, I'll get serious here.....
I love your accent.....I can tell it from your writing.
Those in the government are caught up in a bind. You step out of line in this official story, and you are history in a New York minute. So, you just ignore the truth and stick with the fabricated version, or the exaggerated version to make life easier. "I couldn't make a difference, so why buck the system"......"It pays the bills"...etc.....
We are in a serious bind.........I'm hoping that someone like Hoplite can show me what my findings are just rantings.....but, the names, events, strategies, organizations are all linked in most all of the operations...and decisions made in the past all are starting to make sense.
"hard factual material."
This is never a horror but welcomed. Hard Factual material, must be triangulated or more. In other words, the material should have actual quotes, pictures, and/or unbiased studies, stats etc. The sources should be validated as to their origins....ICG for example cannot be trusted when it comes to the Balkans. Wesley Clark is on the staff...The ICG is just another Think tank for the Globalist. In other cases they do have good reports depending on the agenda......What they write needs to be checked with other sources before taking them at face value. Those who are PRO-Serb nationalist will support Milosevic.....now you have to step back from there also. Their opinion may be biased as well, by turning most if not all Pro-Serb rhetoric to anti-UN, America, Albanians etc..... There is a group of Albanians that are also victim to the Albanian Greater Albania (mostly LDK members or members of the former FARK). The Serbian Mafia (Black Hand)....is alive and well and works with the Albanian Mafia for obvious reasons. The could care less about other Serbs and the Serbs inside Kosovo. This is only scratching the surface.............
Damn straight. Undersecretary this or Assistant that just aren't in the cards anymore, as Hoplite continues keep his plate clear for bigger things.
Thanks to Mr. Peabody for use of the WABAC machine.
You are in no position to demand anything, nor am I inclined to waste much more time on you and yours. Once Kosovo's status has been settled, you will no longer have the ability to camouflage your agenda behind what you misinterperet as American interests, and the culling of Serb nationalists from this site will proceed at whatever pace you and your friends set when you turn your impotent rage against America.
"You" have the balls to drop bombs on hospitals and bridges. That is as far as "your" courage extends.
Impotent rage against America - see?
Saudis and Pakis create the problems, then "they team up with us help us solve it"? How convenient! Meanwhile, because we keep treating the Saudis like they are "our friends & partners in the War on Terror", we ignore the fact that Saudi mosques are going up all over Europe and the US faster than McDonalds, exacerbating the problem for us even further.
Yes, I know bin Laden is trying to bring down the corrupt House of Saud, but there are many in the Saudi government who are playing both ends against the middle -- financing al Qaeda and meanwhile, exploiting the "solidarity with America in the War on Terror".
Saudis are not helping us win the war on terror -- they are "the terror"! Al qaida isn't "their problem", it's their strategy! Because we need their oil, they have us over a barrel so we are pretending not to see it, but it's not hard to see if you look at it logically.
Yes, we've plenty of evidence that the two of you have raised your anti-Serb bigotry to the status of a religion.
Set kneepads to "Dhimmitude" would be more like it in your case, o' toothless one!
Hoppy's position is on his knees before the Muhammedans, swallowing it all like the good Dhimmi that he is.
No, Hoppie, "impotent rage against America" is the MO of the Muslims who you support. It's why you and they are hoping for "72 virgins in Heaven" -- "women who won't expect much" are all that the impotent can handle.
I am an American, born and bred -- an "American nationalist" (AKA patriot) and it is from through the eyes of American ethic I see this Balkan blunder, just as the author of the original article does.
You may be right, in that Serbia does on paper, lose Kosovo. Of course it would be a completely unethical and illegal action, but the forces that seem to be shaping events these days don't really seem to care about legality or ethics when it comes to the Balkans. They just want what they want and are willing to break all the rules-- even their own -- to get it.
But Serbs waited four hundred years the last time to reclaim their lands from Muslims and they can wait again again if they have to. It won't have been the first time Germany and it's Islamo-fascist partners hit them from both sides and it won't be the last. But the Serbs know better this time -- they won't naively embrace a "bratsvo jedinstvo" (one brotherhood) poltical mentality with their neighbors again, which left them vulnerable this last time.
As angry as Serbs may be at the American government right now(as often many non-Serbs here on the board are), an attack on America on our turf just isn't their style. They are the only member state of the former Yugoslavia to have had a history of parlimentary democracy and a historical rock-hard resolve against both fascism and Islamic aggression. Serbia's ideological enemies are America's ideological enemies -- they know that, even if America doesn't.
Hoppie's friends: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1707404/posts
Oh, I get it, you are up for "Secretary of State of IHOP" Right?
American patriotism isn't something you can cry up whenever it suits your agenda, Boka. It's either your agenda from the start or it's not.
Your agenda as far as the Balkans goes is dominated by Serbian nationalism from what I've seen, and it's going to bring you nothing but hair pulling disappointment as far as trying to reconcile it with the relevant portions of American foreign policy.
Ah schadenfreude. Such a guilty pleasure, and it couldn't be derived from a more deserving bunch of ethno-racist ignorami.
Neo-nazi sadistic bliss -- bet they'll be lots of it in Hell, Hoppie.
No, Hoppie. I come from the "home of the free and the land of the brave". My frustration is that US actions in the Balkans couldn't be more cowardly and unethical -- and that cowardice does not represent who we are as an American people.
The day that you and your cold-blooded Nazi mentality represent "the real America", is the day that we should all start wearing black because America as we know it will be dead.
And all else has failed you Boka - have no illusions about that.
Thanks for the info.
Based on your politics, your love of using sadistic German quotes, not hard to see that if it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Or better yet, if it goose-steps like a Nazi...
Your agenda as far as the Balkans goes is dominated by Serbian nationalism from what I've seen, and it's going to bring you nothing but hair pulling disappointment as far as trying to reconcile it with the relevant portions of American foreign policy"
President Woodrow Wilson to Serb-American inventor Nikola Tesla, "A good Serb is a good American -- our values are the same."
There is no conflict for me, Hoppie.
Just because you don't see or refuse to acknowledge the conflict doesn't mean it doesn't exist, Boka - your patriotism is dissociative, damaged, and absurd, much like your position in regards to American Balkan policy on the whole.
Hoppy YOU ARE MY HERO!
regardless to vast amount of avidence posted on this topic,
regardless to common sence
regardless to the fact that entire world is saying opposite
regardles to the testemonies of people that WERE in the field and saw the truth...
YOU HOLD YOUR STANCE!
Hoppy we are saluting you!
We are all awere of the fact that you are on the good way to become a successor to Weesley Clark!
next MSM military/political commentator!
With any luck, US military will will be saved of your potencial generalship, and you will be promoted directley to MSM advisor think tank (think bucket)
Swallow, Hoppy. Remember to swallow.
Hoppy is doing "Monica"!
"Hate to say it, but I am actually rooting for the Serbs to kick our ass. They have every right to defend their territory -- it's no different a situation than it would be for a Californian if the internationals decided to "give California to Mexico". I know what I'd do and it wouldn't be to lay down & roll over!
Go ahead, Hopeless, refer me to the House on UnAmerican Activities for that comment.
FOR YOU HOPLITE
Clark wrote the BS book to cover his donkey. You and them dropped bombs without any plan.....and not without Clintons "personal" approval. That was an interesting policy you think. You see, you have it all turned backwards. We are the patriots, and the Serbs are the patriots of America as well........you are the traitors and the evil doers..........Your group is small....General Butler in 1933 named you exactly. you will not succeed.
We are on the exact same track.......never, never stop.
T, if ve ever meet, you have a drink for what you just said from me. Hell, you have a lunch. :)
Best image of Hoppy Iw ever hoped for!
Couldn't if I tried, Tom -- never have had much of any tolerance for liars, bullies and injustice.
You must have been reading my mind, SA, because it was precisely that WWII Bosnian flag image that came to mind when I was talking to Hopeless.
Bokababe, I was in the military for a long time, and I would fight for my country and die no problem. But right now if we went to another conflict with Serbia.....it will be problem for me to support our war, conflict, or whatever the BS will be called. Because I know it won't be my country going to war or having a conflict with Serbia but it will be the scum bag, egg sucking, cowards that are the globalist pulling the stings. I know for a fact their world will, in due time, fall apart all around them and their time in the next, will be "hot" nonetheless, they have painted themselves in a corner that started generations ago.
It will be a problem to support any action against Serbia. This is no question. Noted.....
gladly...........who knows. Jiverly....
There's nothing wrong with his/her patriotism. The Conflict if it happens, will not be American patriotism in question. It will be the scum that pulls the stings that we are disassociating with. We need to take back American from these cowards......they hid behind their cash, names, secret organizations, and pat each other on the back deluding themselves that they are doing American and the world a service. They aren't doing anyone a service. As a matter of fact they are sowing the seeds of their own destruction and they don't even know it.
Somehow you are confused.
Do you know why these elite want an independent Kosovo? I submit a quote that is true to an extent, by Richard Holbrooke;