Posted on 9/24/2006, 1:00:12 AM by Mount Athos
Police have agreed to consult a panel of Muslim leaders before mounting counter-terrorist raids or arrests. Members of the panel will offer their assessment of whether information police have on a suspect is too flimsy and will also consider the consequences on community relations of a raid.
Members will be security vetted and will have to promise not to reveal any intelligence they are shown. They will not have to sign the Official Secrets Act.
The first panel, expected to consist of four people, will be set up initially in London. Tomorrow representatives from police forces across England and Wales will decide whether to make the scheme national.
Muslim groups have welcomed the move, which is understood to be backed by Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner.
This week the Association of Chief Police Officers will discuss with MI5 and the Home Office whether to reveal to the panel intelligence information from the security service.
The idea came from the Metropolitan police and the Muslim Safety Forum (MSF), which works for better police-Muslim relations. It has been under discussion for two years and came to the top of the agenda after a police raid in Forest Gate, London, in June, in which a man was shot. Police were acting on a tip-off about a bomb. None was found.
Azad Ali, chairman of the MSF, said: “The major concern that came to us from Muslims was that the intelligence was flawed — the raid was on assumption and nothing else. This will allow independent scrutiny of intelligence.”
The police and the Crown Prosecution Service have sometimes been criticised for being over-cautious about tackling Muslim extremism. Last week Abu Izzadeen, a radical cleric who has so far escaped prosecution despite seemingly inciting terrorism, gained entry to a closed meeting in east London and heckled John Reid, the home secretary.
It has now emerged that Izzadeen apparently urged Muslims to wage holy war in Britain in an internet video downloaded by several thousand users from websites that closed down two months ago. The sites were linked to the Saved Sect, of which Izzadeen was leader and which has now been banned and disbanded.
In the video he told his audience: “In the UK no fighting takes place yet, but don’t be fooled, the time will come to you brothers . . . fighting is so close at hand.”
He adds: “You prepare yourself now and when the hard time comes you are ready to defend yourself; you are ready to die for the sake of Allah.”
David Corker, a partner in the London law firm Corker Binning, which has dealt with terrorism cases, said of the video: “There is enough material there for him to be considered for prosecution.”
Izzadeen, 34, did not respond to requests for comment this weekend.
Have you ever watched COPS or a similar show?
Sometimes a suicidal person can't bring themselves to pull the trigger,so they go out, commit a crime, and point a gun at a cop.
BANG! Suicide!
More Muslim police officers needed in London
6/24/2005 7:00:00 AM GMT
Source: BBC
More Muslim police officers are needed in London to reflect the city's population, Metropolitan Police chief Sir Ian Blair said.
Sir Ian said that there were about 300 officers in the Muslim Police Association but noted that he wanted "as many as I can get".
He also tried to defend the rise in the stop and search of Muslims, claiming that it was less than 10 times per day of London's 700,000 Muslims.
The government targets state that 25% of Met officers must be non-white by 2009.
Currently the proportion is around 7%, although ethnic minorities amount to about 17% of all new officers.
Sir Ian said: "What I really need is more Muslim police officers.
"If something like one in nine Londoners is a Muslim, then I want one in nine police officers to be a Muslim. Which means we are currently about 2,000 short."
However, sir Ian said that the Met cannot reach the target easily.
Some white male recruits are waiting for more than three years to join the force as ethnic minority and women applicants are prioritized.
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Thanks for the thread. Unbelievable.
Well, if they're looking for a way to lose the war on terror, they sure as hell got it right the first time!
I also think all police forces should to confer with a select panel of drug dealers to make sure the sensibilities of drug runners and users are not violated when approached by the police. All police forces need to consider the religion, upbringing and social environment of accused rapist and murderers as we may infringe upon their beliefs and environmental circumstances during the unfortunate period of investigation...
The inmates are running the asylum in the UK...
Interesting that England is working a deal with terrorists and couldn't get along with Northern Ireland.
Completely!
I can see Justice Sutter and Ginsberg now "looking" at International Law as they say it's required of police to call the NAACP before arresting blacks, La Raza before arresting illegal aliens, and Luis Farrakhan before arresting outer-space aliens.
Let's see if the UK will notify Sin Fein before arresting any Irish people...
About sanctioned lying - Unlike Christianity and Judaism, Islam does not simply make a provision for forgiveness if one tells a lie; it actually encourages lying in certain situations.
This is evident in both the Koran and the Hadith.
The latter is a collection of Mohammed's sayings and deeds according to his wives, relatives, and companions. Next to the Koran, it is the most important part of Islamic law.
In the Hadith, Mohammed was quoted as saying, "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies with the exception of those spoken to reconcile two men that are quarreling, for a man to appease his wife, and in war, because war necessitates deception."
This is what often makes life such a nightmare for non-Muslim women that marry Muslim men. Without the pangs of conscience, men are licensed to appease their wives with promises which they have no intention of keeping.
In addition, within Islam there is the principle of "Al Takeyya." The term means, "prevention".
This principle permits Muslims to lie at their discretion whenever they interpret that it is expedient for the influence of Islam or their personal protection and well-being. They justify lying by using the following verse as a springboard for expanded applications of Al Takeyya. "Let not the believers take the disbelievers for friends rather than believers. And whoever does this has no connection with Allah unless it is done to guard (Takeyya) yourselves against them, guarding carefully. And Allah cautions you against His retribution. And to Allah is the eventual coming." (Koran 3:27)
The principle of Al Takeyya is precisely what makes negotiations with Islamic statesmen such a frustrating endeavor for the naïve diplomats of Christianized nations. It is imperative that diplomatic envoys learn that when dealing with Muslims, what Muslim statesmen say is not the issue. The real issue is, what do they mean and actually intend to do in their hearts.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
suicide for an entire nation, how peachy
But Islam is a religion of peace(s).
So when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters, wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush…. (Koran 9:5) The only punishment of those that wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered, or crucified, or their hands and their feet should be cut-off on opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned…. (Koran 5:33)
It's incredible. I don't know what the "official secrets act" is, but why the hell shouldn't they sign it?
The real tragedy here is that the Tories are even more useless than labour.
in case you missed this, here's one for ya.
There are just no words.
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