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Anxious Dems eye power of the purse on Iraq(Rangel Promises-Cut Off Funding In Iraq If Dem Win House
The Hill ^ | September 26, 2006 | Bob Cusack

Posted on 09/26/2006 7:06:21 AM PDT by Kaslin

Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) will chair the powerful Ways and Means Committee if Democrats win control of the House next year, but his main goal in 2007 does not fall within his panel’s jurisdiction.

“I can’t stop this war,” a frustrated Rangel said in a recent interview, reiterating his vow to retire from Congress if Democrats fall short of a majority in the House.

But when pressed on how he could stop the war even if Democrats control the House during the last years of President Bush’s second term, Rangel paused before saying, “You’ve got to be able to pay for the war, don’t you?”

Rangel’s views on funding the war are shared by many of his colleagues – especially within the 73-member Out of Iraq Caucus.

Some Democratic legislators want to halt funding for the war immediately, while others say they would allocate money for activities such as reconstruction, setting up international security forces, and the ultimate withdrawal of U.S. troops.

“Personally, I wouldn’t spend another dime [on the war,]” said Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.).

Woolsey is among the Democrats in Congress who are hoping to control the power of the purse in 2007 to force an end to the war. Woolsey and some of her colleagues note that Congress helped force the end of Vietnam War by refusing to pay for it.

Democrats in the House and Senate are united in their effort to conduct more oversight of the Bush administration’s management of the Iraq war, but are not on the same page on how to fund it.

While the Senate could switch hands, political analysts say the House is more likely to flip.

Having lost the last two elections in part because of national security issues, Democratic leaders have been reluctant to spell out their exact Iraq war funding strategy.

“I don’t think the Democratic leadership should put that out at the moment,” Woolsey said.

But Democratic leaders will be under tremendous pressure from campaign donors and activists to take bold steps on Iraq should they be setting the legislative agenda in the 110th Congress.

“If we have the majority, it’ll be because of Iraq,” said Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii).

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other Democrats have called for a reduction in troops to begin no later than the end of 2006, but as Speaker, she could have significant power over troop levels in 2007.

“[Pelosi] has consistently stated that Congress must ensure that our troops have the resources they need,” said Pelosi spokesman Drew Hamill.

Some Democratic congressional candidates have not embraced their leadership’s position of a troop withdrawal timetable in Iraq and conservative Democratic members in the House and Senate could also prove problematic in close budget and appropriations votes.

The Out of Iraq Caucus represents less than 40 percent of Democrats in the House. However, the group consists of many senior lawmakers, including a one Democratic leader, Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.), eight who are in line to chair panels, the next head of the Congressional Black Caucus, Rep. Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-Mich.), and eight appropriators.

Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), the ranking member of the Appropriations defense subcommittee and the most outspoken Democrat on withdrawing from Iraq, has said he will mount a bid for majority leader should Democrats win the House in November. His bill to redeploy forces from Iraq has 105 cosponsors.

Still, Rep. James McGovern (D-Mass.), who has a bill seeking to prohibit funds to deploy armed forces to Iraq, says Democrats “have various positions on the war” and is skeptical that leadership will adopt an approach similar to his legislation.

He noted that his bill does not have many cosponsors (it has 18), and said despite the influential members of the Out of Iraq Caucus, “we all have one vote.”

Republicans are quick to portray talk of withdrawal as a “cut-and-run” strategy as they seek to mock Democrats on homeland security weeks before Nov. 7.

The Bush administration has previously indicated that it presumes that Democrats may attempt to cut off funding for the war if they win control of Congress next year. But the political battle over the war may be fiercer than some White House officials anticipate.

According to a report in The Washington Post last month, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino asked, “How would they force the president to withdraw troops? Yell?”

Battling the White House on the war would be challenging, Democrats say, but they would be emboldened by the election results and Bush’s standing as a lame-duck president with low approval ratings.

Abercrombie stressed that Democrats are not going to sever funding for the troops. Cutting off funding is “easy to say and another thing to do,” according to Abercrombie.

What’s more like likely, he said, is to fund the conflict in a way that will end the war by reallocating money to new initiatives.

“We’re going to continue to give the troops everything they need,” said Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).

A House Democratic leadership aide said, “The bottom line is that should Democrats regain the House, Democrats will leave no soldier left behind in Iraq. As long as there’s soldiers in the battlefield, funding will continue.”

If Democrats control Congress, that funding likely would have strings attached. Most Senate Democrats backed a nonbinding measure earlier this year crafted by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and Jack Reed (D-R.I.) that called for troops to begin to withdraw from Iraq, but the amendment did not set a withdrawal deadline. Another amendment offered by Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) set a redeployment of troops to be substantially completed by July 1, 2007 was soundly defeated, attracting only 13 votes. The Levin amendment fell short as well, garnering 39 votes.

Rep. John Spratt (D-S.C.), a Democratic leader in line to become the House Budget Committee chairman if Democrats win control of the House, said last month that he does not favor an immediate withdrawal: “I think we should tell the Iraqis that we’re not going to pull out immediately. We’re seeking still some positive outcome. We won’t leave them in a lurch, but at the same time, we’re not going to be there indefinitely or forever…” Spratt is in a challenging race to keep his seat this fall.

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), chair of the Out of Iraq Caucus, declined to comment for this article.


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To: defconw


LOL -- right!


41 posted on 09/26/2006 7:23:13 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: CPT Clay
THIS IS BIG FOLKS

I agree. This is now their official policy.

42 posted on 09/26/2006 7:23:41 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Texas Songwriter

That'd be even better.


43 posted on 09/26/2006 7:25:44 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan
This makes their cut and run policy official.

Not official but public. The Rats have had this as offical policy ever since Vietnam when they turned their backs on South Vietnam when the NVA invaded with Russian built tanks in 1975.

44 posted on 09/26/2006 7:29:39 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush Islamofacists; see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women.)
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To: Kaslin
"Woolsey and some of her colleagues note that Congress helped force the end of Vietnam War by refusing to pay for it."

The Bastards just admitted what they did back then. This statement should be used as a reason Not to vote cut and run dem.

The S. Vietnamese were holding their own on their own. When the democrats cut the funding the SV Gov't could buy enough ammo and ordnance to defend themselves. The dems are the ones who lost the war and now they admit their responsibility in SVN. Scum...

45 posted on 09/26/2006 7:29:41 AM PDT by cibco (Xin Loi! Saddam)
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To: Kaslin
Hah....just the other day many conservatives and not a few conservative talk show hosts were drooling over Rangel and praising him to the skies (re: his phony defense of the President after the attacks by Chavez in the UN).

Leni

46 posted on 09/26/2006 7:29:53 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Israel, Hold Firm !................No Retreat means No Repeat !)
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To: Kaslin

Rather weird that he'd announce that before the election ... don't the polls show a majority of America is against cut and run? Why, it's almost as if Rove found the secret stash of FBI files and now has them for his own use :) Don't see how that is a winning position for the RATs. Perhaps their position is that they wouldn't have a filibuster-proof majority and therefore can make the funding cut pitch to satisfy their moonbat base but be comfortable that the bill would never be enacted. Of course, that was everyone's position on McLame-FindGold ...


47 posted on 09/26/2006 7:30:43 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Treaty Fetishism: "[The] belief that a piece of paper will alter the behavior of thugs." R. Lowry.)
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To: Kaslin
V.E.T.O.

If the Dims win, W will learn to love that word.

48 posted on 09/26/2006 7:31:18 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty hereā€¦ move on.)
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To: onyx

Saddam must be proud.


49 posted on 09/26/2006 7:33:05 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Kaslin

A betrayal of our troops because he sees that money better spent on 'programs'.


50 posted on 09/26/2006 7:33:07 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Kaslin
"...his vow to retire from Congress if Democrats fall short of a majority in the House."

We'll see if he has any honor and retires when they are defeated and LOSE seats in both houses.

51 posted on 09/26/2006 7:33:14 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: mainepatsfan; onyx; Mo1
This makes their cut and run policy official.

As if there was any doubt.

52 posted on 09/26/2006 7:34:17 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!)
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To: mainepatsfan
This gives a big boost to the terrorists in Iraq. For them victory is now in sight.

Assuming they have a lock on the House races, which they don't.

53 posted on 09/26/2006 7:34:56 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!)
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To: Steel Wolf
If it wasn't for the supplemental funding then the military would have to rob Peter to pay Paul and that would leave vulnerabilities elsewhere.
54 posted on 09/26/2006 7:35:26 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: defconw
Please this needs to go out to all the unappeasables that think we should lose the Congress. I know they are nuts, but do they get it NOW?

Who knows. They think government spends too much already.

55 posted on 09/26/2006 7:36:37 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!)
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To: tobyhill
You know I wonder if he ever uses his brain before opening his mouth?

That is provided he has a brain

56 posted on 09/26/2006 7:37:01 AM PDT by Kaslin (No matter what the left says. G.W. Bush will be remembered as the best president of this century)
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To: All; Kaslin
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After the 1970's WATERGATE Scandal diluted the Power of the American Presidency to conduct War...

...the Democrats in Congress quickly cut off all funding for a then Free South Vietnam's Military to fight for its own Freedom with. Then all Medical aid was cut off for South Vietnam's military and civilian wounded in action as well =


Pictures of vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts


Sen. TED KENNEDY figured prominently in this cut off of War funding back then and is again now in our new Time of War...

...with our own Freedom at stake here at home. This when he has always known better:

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm
(See 5th Picture down taken of Sen. TED KENNEDY's 1965 Congressional Vietnam Tour at the very beginning of the Vietnam War)



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57 posted on 09/26/2006 7:37:24 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: onyx
How nice of him to announce his plans.

They finally found an issue which to run on. I hope they choke on it.

58 posted on 09/26/2006 7:37:55 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!)
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To: Kaslin
Right now, Iraq is being plagued by violence from religious zealots on both the Sunni and Shiite side that are, day by day, killing each other off. It is also plagued by violence from outside terrorists that the Iraqis themselves are now turning against.

Have these Democrat demagogues ever given any thought to the strategic catastrophe that would result if the U.S. simply walked away and left religious fanatics and foreign terrorists in control of the piece of real estate that has the strategic location necessary to control 70% of the world's known oil reserves?

No, they have not.

They only thing that matters to them is trying to ensure that George W. Bush fails.

59 posted on 09/26/2006 7:38:01 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Hoodat

I believe it when I see it


60 posted on 09/26/2006 7:38:10 AM PDT by Kaslin (No matter what the left says. G.W. Bush will be remembered as the best president of this century)
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