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WWI soldier buried at Arlington Cemetery (remains found 2003 near Soissons,2nd Battle of the Marne)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 9/25/06 | Kasie Hunt - ap

Posted on 09/26/2006 5:03:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: COEXERJ145
I see one thing that never went away is European arrogance.

Nope. That has nothing to do with Europe or America or with arrogance. It has to do with individual intelligence. I am sorry that I have to say this.

21 posted on 09/26/2006 6:23:29 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: TheConservator
My, you are full of yourself, aren't you?

And guess what - I have reason to.

22 posted on 09/26/2006 6:25:00 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

Very unusual for any WWI Vet to say anything like that. My grandfather was also a mustard gas disabled type. He invested in land. All three of his sons served in WWII. I never heard anything like you are saying.


23 posted on 09/26/2006 6:25:46 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Atlantic Bridge
You assume that WWI was survivable by the exercise of skill, prudence, or some other quality valued by natural selection.

You assume incorrectly.

In most previous (and some subsequent) wars, your thesis would hold: those who fought bravely and cannily would live to fight another day and thus to reproduce.

Unfortunately for all concerned, the leadership was (as usual) fighting the last war, with horrific consequences in the age of machine guns, HE, and poison gas. The individuals who would have been "selected" for their sterling qualities in a more traditional war were overridden by the stupidity of the brass hats, most particularly French, Haig, Foch, and Joffre.

Darwinist theories were submerged in total war and total slaughter. The statistics, while incomplete, do indicate a noticeable falling-off in physical size and strength. I don't know about the IQ issue, Binet invented the concept just before the war, so I don't know what kind of a baseline they had. Probably just anecdotal, but the physical statistics are easy to find. I'm most familiar with Britain, and I know that the recruiters in WWII were disturbed enough by the falling-off in health and strength to take note of it.

BTW, rather than deride the professor, you might give this some serious consideration. I majored in history with a concentration in military history, and he has a point.

P.S., the Swiss stayed out of it, thus proving once again their essential good sense.

24 posted on 09/26/2006 6:27:46 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: NormsRevenge

I will be at Arlington Cemetery this week.

I will look for the grave marker and leave flowers from Free Republic.


25 posted on 09/26/2006 6:28:45 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Why, because you can't write complete English sentences?


26 posted on 09/26/2006 6:30:22 PM PDT by TheConservator (Confutatis maledictis flammis acribus addictis. . . .)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Wow, your ignorance on this subject takes my breathe away. You remind me of that character, Cliff, from Cheers.


27 posted on 09/26/2006 6:30:28 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: AnAmericanMother
Some towns in Scotland were almost wiped out.

And a whole generation of Britons. I think the Great War damaged the British psyche beyond repair. They're still good chaps and all -- for the most part -- but their genes have mutated to include a strain of radical socialism that will never be expunged.

28 posted on 09/26/2006 6:30:51 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: NormsRevenge
Welcome home soldier.

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29 posted on 09/26/2006 6:31:51 PM PDT by barker (Some days are diamonds, some days are stones.)
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To: IronJack
A lot of them emigrated.

Good friend of my dad's (now gone to glory) was a Spitfire pilot in the Battle of Britain. His whole family - wife and children - were killed in the Blitz. He emigrated and remarried to an American girl, and had a second family of American sons to carry on his remarkable courage and grace.

Our gain was England's loss.

30 posted on 09/26/2006 6:34:14 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Nope. You forgot that only those, who were "dispensable" were send into those sections were no survival was possible. The men used for "suicide squads" or "Himmelfahrtskommandos" (in German) were usually not the elite. A simple example: The most intellectual men (the officers) in a war are always in safe places behind the lines because they are needed for better purposes than direct hostilities.


31 posted on 09/26/2006 6:41:19 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Here are some color (yes, color!) photos of a French unit and the surrounding area in WWI.

32 posted on 09/26/2006 6:43:44 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Artillery does not respect good genes.


33 posted on 09/26/2006 6:45:26 PM PDT by american_ranger
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To: TheConservator
Why, because you can't write complete English sentences?

Sorry. English is not my mother language and I am really not that good in it. Therefore I am not that eloquent if I use your language as I would be using German or French.

Anyway I doesn't matter. You understood very well what I wanted to say.

:-)

34 posted on 09/26/2006 6:48:38 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Not to minimize in any way the staggering, unbelievable carnage of WWI, but the Eastern Front in WWII is the record-holder for most savage and unfathomable casualties, probably approaching 30 million, with numerous entire town, villages, and even cities wiped out:

"The Eastern Front was by far the largest and bloodiest theatre of World War II. It is generally accepted as being the most costly conflict in human history with between 25-30 million dead as a result. It involved more land combat than all other World War II theatres combined. The Eastern Front resulted in staggering losses and disregard for human life...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)


35 posted on 09/26/2006 6:48:47 PM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and the Drive-By Media)
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To: american_ranger
Artillery does not respect good genes.

That is indeed true. Nevertheless most soldiers were killed while serving in the infantry.

36 posted on 09/26/2006 6:51:30 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Enchante

Rest in peace, soldier. God bless you for your sacrifice.


37 posted on 09/26/2006 6:53:14 PM PDT by Ueriah
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To: Atlantic Bridge
I'm afraid you're wrong. What I don't understand is why you believe this.

Everybody went into the meat grinder, including the sons of nobility and Scottish farmers. And the "intellectuals" - ever heard of Brooke, Grenfell, Owen, Rosenberg, Sorley, Thomas?

And from what I've read of Jünger, Remarque, and other German writers, that doesn't appear to be the case on the other side, either.

38 posted on 09/26/2006 6:58:19 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: NormsRevenge
The 3rd Division (re-designated as the 3rd Infantry Division August 1, 1942) was constituted November 12, 1917 in the Regular Army and organized at Camp Greene, NC November 21, 1917. The division was composed of the 4th, 7th, 30th, and 38th Infantry Regiments, the 10th, 18th, and 76th FA Regiments and the 6th Engineer Regiment with a total of 28,000 men. It underwent training at Camp Greene, NC and Fort Bliss, TX and shipped to France arriving in April 1918. A monument to the origination of the 3rd Division stands today in Charlotte, NC at the corner of Wilkinson Blvd. and Monument St. The 3rd Infantry Division earned the motto "Rock of the Marne" at the Marne River near Chateau-Thierry on July 15, 1918. When flanking units retreated, then Division Commander Major General Joseph Dickman, told our French allies "Nous Resterons La-We shall remain here." This motto is on the 3rd Infantry Division Distinctive Insignia. Although the stand was quite successful, we paid a high price. General "Black Jack" Pershing said it best, when he called the Divisions performance one of the most brilliant of our military annals.

Welcome home brother, RIP

Nous Resterons La

39 posted on 09/26/2006 6:59:34 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: Enchante
Quite true. It's far removed from Americans and Brits though, because we weren't over there.

I actually did know an Austrian ski-troop veteran (he was already in when Hitler assassinated Dollfuss and took over) who was on the last plane out of Stalingrad (he was shot in the knee - really a lucky blighty wound for him.) He didn't care for the Russians much.

40 posted on 09/26/2006 7:01:15 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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