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Riley lays out proposal to fight gun violence
The Posted & Currying, Charleston, SC ^ | Wednesday, September 27, 2006 | Posted & Currying reporterette DAVID SLADE

Posted on 09/27/2006 11:25:22 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com

In the wake of Charleston's 17th homicide, Mayor Joe Riley is calling for warrantless searches of offenders on probation, costly investments in the criminal justice system, and changes in state laws aimed at keeping gun-using criminals behind bars.Charleston Mayor Joe Riley is proposing a number of changes to state laws, including:

--Mandatory sentences for illegal firearm possession, with a five-year minimum prison term for a second offense.

--Prohibiting those convicted of dealing drugs, or any crime carrying a punishment of one year or more in jail, from possessing firearms.

--Mandatory sentences for carrying a gun while younger than 21, with a five-year minimum prison term for a second offense.

--Possession of a firearm during a drug offense, other than simple possession, would itself be an offense, with a mandatory five-year sentence.

--Allow probation officers to conduct warrantless searches.

--Increase the punishment for assault and battery with intent to kill to a mandatory minimum term of 10 years. There is currently no mandatory minimum.

--All offenders would have to serve at least 85 percent of their sentence. Currently, the 85 percent rule does not apply to all offenses.

(Excerpt) Read more at charleston.net ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; banglist; firearm; gun; guncontrol; ignorance; rkba; secondamendment; tyranny
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1 posted on 09/27/2006 11:25:24 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

Sounds like it applys to convicted felons. I don't have a problem with that. I don't want them voting either. Does this make me a Yankee gun grabber?

Flame away.


2 posted on 09/27/2006 11:27:40 AM PDT by poobear (Political Left, continually accusing their foes of what THEY themselves do every day.)
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To: poobear

X2


3 posted on 09/27/2006 11:31:06 AM PDT by Ribeye (Protective head wear courtesy of "Reynolds Aluminum Products - Implant Suppression Division")
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
For years we have been yelling: ARREST , PROSECUTE AND INCARCERATE THE CRIMINALS AND LEAVE THE LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS ALONE.

How does wanting to do that make the mayor a "yankee gun grabber"

It seems to me that the worst thing the mayor has done is not to have instigated these measures long ago!

4 posted on 09/27/2006 11:34:40 AM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: poobear

Fine with me too. The framers of the 2nd Amendment did not envision it as giving convicted felons an unfettered right to keep and bear arms. Conviction of a crime is understood to subject the convict to punishment which involves loss of some or all of the Constitutional rights ordinarily possessed by citizens. As long as there is due process for each individual who is subjected to such punishment, there is no conflict with the Constitution. Law-abiding citizens, acting through their government and courts, have a right to rid their communities of free-roaming armed drug-dealing gangs.


5 posted on 09/27/2006 11:38:09 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
The mayor is duplicating many existing laws on the books concerning felons and firearms. The since item I disagree with is --Mandatory sentences for carrying a gun while younger than 21, with a five-year minimum prison term for a second offense.. The age of 18 is a legal adult in most every state. Under federal law, a person 18 years of age can legally purchase a long gun. The mayor proposes to make that a felony. He is way off the reservation on that one.
6 posted on 09/27/2006 11:40:42 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
The since single item I disagree with is
7 posted on 09/27/2006 11:42:00 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: poobear

Sounds pretty gun-grabby to me.

Riley's proposal

Charleston Mayor Joe Riley is proposing a number of changes to state laws, including:

--Mandatory sentences for illegal firearm possession, with a five-year minimum prison term for a second offense.

--Prohibiting those convicted of dealing drugs, or any crime carrying a punishment of one year or more in jail, from possessing firearms.

--Mandatory sentences for carrying a gun while younger than 21, with a five-year minimum prison term for a second offense.

--Possession of a firearm during a drug offense, other than simple possession, would itself be an offense, with a mandatory five-year sentence.

--Allow probation officers to conduct warrantless searches.

--Increase the punishment for assault and battery with intent to kill to a mandatory minimum term of 10 years. There is currently no mandatory minimum.

--All offenders would have to serve at least 85 percent of their sentence. Currently, the 85 percent rule does not apply to all offenses.


8 posted on 09/27/2006 11:42:30 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
The framers of the 2nd Amendment did not envision it as giving convicted felons an unfettered right to keep and bear arms.

I disagree. The framers would have kept a person in prison if they were not fit to be set free in civil society. If they were fit to be free, they were also fit to keep and bear arms.

9 posted on 09/27/2006 11:45:10 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

I carried a gun while hunting or just target shooting since I was young. Would that have made me eligible for five years?I'd say this needs to be clarified.


10 posted on 09/27/2006 11:48:00 AM PDT by BBell
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I was hunting with a pellet gun until I was 16. At that point I switched to a bolt action .22LR when I was eligible to purchase the ammo. Now you have to wait until age 18 to purchase long gun ammo and age 21 for "handgun" ammo...even though many calibers work in long or handguns. The mayor would make felons of both of us.
11 posted on 09/27/2006 11:58:12 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

DOesn't sound like a "gun grab" to me, it sounds like cracking down on crime.


12 posted on 09/27/2006 12:04:56 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

The way I read this, it only applies to criminals. It looks like he's just trying to toughen up the laws where they're concerned. Unless I missed something. Why do you think he's a gun grabber?


13 posted on 09/27/2006 12:06:52 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: dhuffman@awod.com; Admin Moderator

Most of the mandatory minimums make perfect sense. But I don't get where he's coming from on the "younger than 21" thing, and there's no way that a warrantless search can be legal on somebody out on probation. That'll get smacked down in the courts faster than anything. I'm no Joe Riley fan by a long shot, but there's nothing wrong with at least part of what he's doing here.

BTW, there's that whole thing about changing the title of articles. Y'know.

}:-)4


14 posted on 09/27/2006 12:07:38 PM PDT by Moose4 (They caught me white and nerdy.)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

"Yankee gun-grab" What kind of stupid title to the article is this? The title makes it sound like this Mayor wants to take guns away from law abiding people but the isn't the case at all. He wants to take them away from felons. Good for him.


15 posted on 09/27/2006 12:13:58 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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--Mandatory sentences for carrying a gun while younger than 21, with a five-year minimum prison term for a second offense.

Ever hear of 16-year-olds on dove hunts in the tri-county, Mayor? GRRR-r-r-r-r!
Joe Riley is a complete fool but, unfortunately, he seems to have the editorialists at the Post-Courier under his right arm...Peter Manigault call your office. Resurrect Frank "Ashley Cooper" Gilbraith!

16 posted on 09/27/2006 12:21:01 PM PDT by meandog (While Bush will never fill them, Clinton isn't fit to even lick the soles of Reagan's shoes!)
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Disagree with most of 'em. Guns are not the problem - people are. Need to have a look at where the scum is coming from and why they're coming to the Holy City.

No mandatory sentence for carrying a gun while under 21: Kids carrying guns to hunt could be affected. How 'bout all kids using guns in crimes will be tried as adults, instead?
No warrant less searches, except maybe in public housing (the landlord gets to have a look around at HIS property).
The NRA likes mandatory sentencing for crimes involving firearms and could provide Rilely with some guidelines.
17 posted on 09/27/2006 12:30:20 PM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: Myrddin
The framers of the 2nd Amendment did not envision it as giving convicted felons an unfettered right to keep and bear arms.

I disagree. The framers would have kept a person in prison if they were not fit to be set free in civil society. If they were fit to be free, they were also fit to keep and bear arms.

Too bad we can't return to the framers way of thinking and the individual liberty they enjoyed.

18 posted on 09/27/2006 12:31:05 PM PDT by FroedrickVonFreepenstein
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--Allow probation officers to conduct warrantless searches.

the SC will kill this one.

19 posted on 09/27/2006 12:31:44 PM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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To: Myrddin

That a popular modern assertion, but I've never seen any evidence supporting it. Few jurisdictions even HAD prisons back then.


20 posted on 09/27/2006 12:34:51 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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