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Sayyid Qutb's "Milestones"
Gems of Islamism ^ | 6/27/2005 | Elmer Swenson

Posted on 09/28/2006 8:53:07 PM PDT by Dajjal

Sayyid Qutb's Milestones
Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sayyid Qutb's Milestones,
But Couldn't Be Bothered to Find Out

Elmer Swenson


1. Introduction: Who is Sayyid Qutb, and what's so special about his book Milestones, aka Signposts?
2. Qutb and the Muslim Community
3. Qutb and Shari'ah Law, the Islamic Vanguard and Slavery
4. Qutb on Sex, Women and the Family
5. Qutb on Politics: Progressive Islam, Nationalism, Democracy, Socialism
6. Qutb on Politics: Racial Equality and Freedom
7. Qutb and non-Muslims: The West
8. Qutb and non-Muslims: Christians, Jews and Freedom of Religion
9. Qutb and Peaceful Co-Existance with non-Muslims
10. Qutb and the Future
11. Addendum

[snip]

Why was this FAQ created?

Influential and compact as it is, Milestones is in some ways the ideal place to begin learning about radical Islam. And if in fact it is "the Mein Kampf" of the al Qaeda, it may not only be interesting but rather important to understand. Just as Radical Islamists were able to plan and carry out terror attacks because of their familiarity with the West, so too the West may be able to turn the tables and defend itself better by understanding how their would-be murderers and destroyers think. On the other hand, if the portrayal above of Qutb (or more generally the Islamist revival) is slander, as some allege (see below), that also would be important to clear up. The problem is, Qutb's writing is so bad many non-Muslims and non-Islamists won't have the patience to make their way through the whole thing, or through the whole thing carefully. This FAQ, then is an attempt to make Milestones easier to understand by breaking it down point-by-point and clarifying it. Such points include the questions:

(Excerpt) Read more at gemsofislamism.tripod.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; blackflag; dajjal; dhimmi; dhimmiwatch; gwot; hejab; islam; islamicjihad; jihad; koran; kotb; koteb; mahdi; meinkampf; milestones; mosque; muslims; quran; qutb; qutub; sayyidqutb; terrorism; wot
An excellent "Cliff-Notes" type summary and analysis of this seminal treatise of Islamic Jihadism.
1 posted on 09/28/2006 8:53:09 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Pyro7480; AdmSmith; Aquinasfan; Siobhan; Maeve; SJackson; Dark Skies; Sabertooth; JohnHuang2; ...
global jihad ping

"Cliff Notes" to Qutb.

2 posted on 09/28/2006 8:54:22 PM PDT by Dajjal
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Click on the Source to read the essay.
3 posted on 09/28/2006 9:02:13 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal
12th imam bump for later read.


4 posted on 09/28/2006 9:12:26 PM PDT by XR7
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To: Dajjal

If I understand correctly, Qutb's account of his American trip was actually in an earlier book, I wonder if there is a translation of this online.


5 posted on 09/28/2006 9:14:43 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Dajjal

Qutb bump, however unfortunate.


6 posted on 09/28/2006 9:46:05 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Dajjal; Steel Wolf; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It is a bit more complicated Qutb was a member of the Muslim Brotherood in Egypt. I suppose that he is an ideological parent of Islamic Jihad. In so far as IJ joined Al Qaeda, which had been a fusion of Wahabbists and Salafists, Qutb's ideology would seem to have a tiny role. However, Qutb was a cosmopolitan and created ties to the Wahabbist Ikawan movement.

I think that more Americans should read Qutb. Qutb called us evil and decadent in the 1950's, largely because we treated women with respect. Those on the right who think that Islamic attacks are purely the result of Western Cultural Imperialism, trade, and American foreign policy are fooling themselves.
They hate us for not being Dhimmi and consider it a duty to conquer us.
7 posted on 09/28/2006 9:54:52 PM PDT by rmlew (DeathKlok Rules!)
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To: Pyro7480
Posting a link to your essay on Qutb.

Islamic Revivalist : Sayyid Qutb and His Influence on Modern Islamic Fundamentalism
by Pyro7480

8 posted on 09/28/2006 10:10:32 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal
Thanks for the ping Dajjal.

Qutbs work is a cornerstone and highly influential basis for the modern islamic resurgenc, and Milestones is an absolute "must read" to understand the islamic ideology we are up against and why we can never ever appeased or be able to come to an amicable understanding with it's followers. It would be ill-advisable to even try as it would be perceived as more proof of our weakness.

Btw.. There was another Qutb thread on FReep titled "A Lesson in Hate" which examined Qutb on a more personal leval addressing the pent up ideological and sexual frustrations of this self-made outcast when he was in the States. I commented and added a couple of my favorite Qutb quotes from other sources:

Qutbs ranting about America contains obsessive and enlightening passages about those like him interpret the liberated role of women in western society who are in charge of their own sexuality.

Coming from his own primitive islamic background, he interpreted this as one of the offerings of "modernity" he could not understand or assimilate into. His ideology kept him a social outcast, so like many islmaic immigrants, he retreated further away from the ways of the kuffar, seeking help in deluded islamic fantasies.

His reading of the koran lead to antisemitic fantasies (Jews being "ape and pigs" - confirmed in his Koran commentary) explaining the condition of western society as he saw it. From Qutb's "Our Battle Against the Jews":

"The Jews are behind materialism, animal sexuality, the destruction of the family and the dissolution of society. Principal among them are Marx, Freud, Durkheim and the Jew Jean-Paul Sartre."

Of course, Qutb had no fondness of Christians or anyone else either.

"The unbelievers were of three kinds: adversaries in war, people with treaties, and Dhimmies. The people with treaties eventually became Muslims, so there were only two kinds left: people at war and Dhimmies."
The element of sexual frustration, Qutbs repressed sexual envy, and primitive coping mechanisms, is not to be overlooked... the article covers some of his obsession with his looks (his hair etc) and of American women with their "body’s seductive capacity... round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs... - and she shows all this and does not hide it." The last part is important.. all this was "available" but poor social misfit Qutb was left high and dry as they ignored him to chase "“wide, strapping chest[s] and ox muscles." In the "sexual jungle," Qutb, the ugly outsider who could not assimilate was not only at the bottom of the food chain. He was a reject.

This frustration with women in control of their own sexuality, free to choose and reject a mate as they pleased, probably played a key role in turning him all the more inwards towards islam and to reject and grow hatred towards the new culture he witnessed around him.

In a way, there are similarities with Yusof Islam, aka Cat Stevens. Stevens with his talent and fame and failed relationship with a Boston stripper, Qutb with his intellectual and literary prowess, both being made to look like fools by failed relationships or rejection by women they could not control or sexually subjugate.

In islam, they have a system and ideology to totally dominate a woman, the safety of hiding your woman away from potential competition and removing abilities to reject or disobey a husband.

For the weak, rejected man, or control freak, islam is the ideal answer. Allowing a woman equality or to dress as they want, pursue a career, and choose and reject her own partner is so terrifying to them that they would choose to be a slave of allah instead, so they may fall back on the laws of islamic society to enforce their womens submission and obedience to them.

My favorite Qutb quote once again, as it sums up the essence of his message:

"It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya (the ways of the infidels) which are current in the world or to co-exist in the same land together with a jahili system. Jahiliyyah, to whatever period it belongs, is Jahiliyyah; that is, deviation from the worship of One Allah and the way of life prescribed by Allah.

It derives its system and laws and regulations and habits and standards and values from a source other than Allah. On the other hand, Islam is submission to Allah, and its function is to bring people away from Jahiliyyah towards Islam. Jahiliyyah is the worship of some people by others; that is to say, some people become dominant and make laws for others, regardless of whether these laws are against Allah's injunctions and without caring for the use or misuse of their authority.

Islam cannot accept any mixing with Jahiliyyah. Either Islam will remain, or Jahiliyyah; no half-half situation is possible."


9 posted on 09/29/2006 2:23:19 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Dajjal

More proof that Islam is a mental illness---->>>>

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/006458.html

Allah, the compassionate, the merciful

Here is Allah, the one and only God, the God other than whom there is no God, speaking his eternal unchangeable word through his prophet Muhammad:

For the wrongdoers we have prepared a fire which will encompass them like the walls of a pavilion. When they cry out for help, they shall be showered with water as hot as molten brass, which will scald their faces. Evil shall be their drink, dismal their resting-place. [Sura 18, Dawood translation.]

This is not a mere warning of punishment of hell, as we find in the Bible. Nor is it simple sadism, the sickness that derives pleasure from inflicting the maximum of pain on one’s enemies. It is hyper-sadism, sadism raised to the nth degree and eternalized. It is the kind of hyper-depravity that drove Saddam Hussein’s torturing sons and their henchmen, or the beheader Zarqawi and his followers, who, when we read a passage like this, are revealed not as Muslim extremists but as true followers of Muhammad.
Yet this “god,” this all-powerful projection of Muhammad’s hatred and vengefulness, is the god whom the Catholic Church in its 1965 Declaration Nostra Aetate (which Pope Benedict reiterated in St. Peter’s Square on September 20) calls “the one God,” and esteems Muslims for their adoration of him.


10 posted on 09/29/2006 2:32:49 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: Dajjal

bump for later reading.


11 posted on 09/29/2006 3:08:01 AM PDT by PogySailor (Media bias? What media bias?)
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To: Dajjal

Thanks for the ping and informative article/essay.


12 posted on 09/29/2006 3:33:49 AM PDT by odds
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To: Dajjal

Kudos for putting this up. Too few people know who this guy is...


13 posted on 09/29/2006 3:40:53 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: rmlew

The Islamists will convert me only when they hold my decapitated head in their blood-stained hands. And, by then, it will be too late.


14 posted on 09/29/2006 4:57:10 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hugo Chavez is the Devil! The podium still smells of sulfur...)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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15 posted on 09/29/2006 5:48:58 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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To: SJackson; Dajjal

Thanks to both of you.


16 posted on 09/29/2006 5:57:25 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: USF

.. There was another Qutb thread on FReep titled "A Lesson in Hate" which examined Qutb on a more personal leval addressing the pent up ideological and sexual frustrations of this self-made outcast when he was in the States.

Thanks for the link. I agree. From what little I've read about this guy he had....issuse with women, he reminds me of that little geeky guy we all knew in high school, he did not play well with others.


17 posted on 09/29/2006 6:04:27 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Dajjal

I highly recommend the book "Terror and Liberalism" by Paul Berman. He chronicles the development of apocalyptic and nihilistic and blood-infected movements from the french revolution to today, and locates radical islam in that trajectory; and he shows how Qutb's ideas are the cornerstone of radical islam's views.


18 posted on 09/29/2006 8:01:33 AM PDT by Remole
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To: Dajjal

Bookmarked.


19 posted on 09/29/2006 8:47:41 AM PDT by unionblue83 (Duty is ours; consequences are God's. -- Stonewall Jackson.)
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To: dennisw

Actually, Islam is ditheistic. Since the Quran is co-eternal with Allah, it must have an existence independent of Him.


20 posted on 09/29/2006 11:51:12 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: Dajjal

Very interesting, Sayyid Qutb and his "Milestones" (cliff notes). Thanks for the ping Dajjal.


21 posted on 09/29/2006 9:58:24 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Pyro7480; AdmSmith; Aquinasfan; Siobhan; Maeve; XR7; Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; Sabertooth; ...
Just an advanced FYI that in 2007 Routledge Press will be publishing:

http://www.routledge.com/shopping_cart/products/product_detail.asp?sku=&isbn=9780415954259&parent_id=&pc=/
The Sayyid Qutb Reader
edited by Albert J. Bergesen

432 pp.
0415954258 (PB: $29.95)
041595424x (HB: $90.00)

Amazon says the publication date is March 31, but Routledge.com says it will be June 30.

22 posted on 11/14/2006 3:08:24 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal

Wow! Thanks for the heads-up. I'll have to get that.


23 posted on 11/14/2006 3:11:40 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Pyro7480
David Cook of Rice University (the expert on contemporary Islamic millennialism) is coming out with a new book next February. I hope he emphasizes the concept of barzakh (and how martyrs avoid it), but from the Table of Contents, it doesn't look like he will.

http://www.cambridge.org/us/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521615518
Martyrdom in Islam
by David Cook

224 pp.
0521615518 (PB: $27.00)
0521850401 (HB: $75.00)
Series: Themes in Islamic History, No. 4
Cambridge University Press
Due Feb., 2007

"In recent times Islamic martyrdom has become associated with suicide missions conducted by extremists. However, as David Cook demonstrates, this type of martyrdom is very different from the classical definition which condemned suicide and stipulated that anyone who died a believer could be considered a martyr. Ideas about martyrdom have evolved to suit prevailing circumstances, and it is the evolution of these interpretations that Cook charts in this fascinating history. The book covers the earliest sources on martyrdom including those from the Jewish and Christian traditions, discussions about what constituted martyrdom, and differences in attitudes between Sunnis and Shi'ites. A concluding section discusses martyrdom in today's radical environment. There is no other book which considers the topic so systematically, and which draws so widely on the literary sources. This will be essential reading for students of Islamic history, and for those looking for an informed account of this controversial topic."

Contents
Preface; 1. Martyrs in religion; 2. Martyrdom in the genesis of Islam; 3. Legal definitions, boundaries and rewards of the martyr; 4. Sectarian Islam: Sunni, Shi`ite and Sufi martyrdom; 5. Martyrs: warriors and missionaries in Medieval Islam; 6. Martyrs of love and epic heroes; 7. Patterns of prognostication, narrative and expiation; 8. Martyrdom in contemporary radical Islam; 9. Conclusions; Glossary; Chronology; Appendices; Bibliography.

24 posted on 11/14/2006 3:34:20 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal

To quote Admiral Tom Moorer's comment after I gave him a copy of the parallel "Unlimited Warfare" to read and he read it:
"It's not like the didn't tell us what they intend to do."


25 posted on 11/14/2006 3:42:07 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Dajjal

Knowing the Enemy
Jihadist Ideology and the War on Terror * Mary Habeck

After September 11, Americans agonized over why nineteen men hated the United States enough to kill three thousand civilians in an unprovoked assault. Analysts have offered a wide variety of explanations for the attack, but the one voice missing is that of the terrorists themselves. This penetrating book is the first to present the inner logic of al-Qa’ida and like-minded extremist groups by which they justify September 11 and other terrorist attacks.

Mary Habeck explains that these extremist groups belong to a new movement—known as jihadism—with a specific ideology based on the thought of Muhammad ibn Abd al- Wahhab, Hasan al-Banna, and Sayyid Qutb. Jihadist ideology contains new definitions of the unity of God and of jihad, which allow members to call for the destruction of democracy and the United States and to murder innocent men, women, and children. Habeck also suggests how the United States might defeat the jihadis, using their own ideology against them.

MARY HABECK is associate professor, School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University. She is coeditor of Spain Betrayed: The Soviet Union in the Spanish Civil War and The Great War and the Twentieth Century, both published by Yale University Press.


26 posted on 11/14/2006 3:49:57 PM PST by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: All
I hope he emphasizes the concept of barzakh (and how martyrs avoid it),

To save anyone the trouble of looking it up, all Muslims believe that the soul is not judged immediately after death. They believe that after death, souls go into a big waiting-room called Barzakh ("the veil") where they wait and wait and wait until Judgment Day at the end of time.

Souls in Barzakh can watch what is happening to their friends and relatives down on earth, but they cannot communicate or help them or interact. All they can do is see how the long-term effects of their actions play out, for better or worse, and contemplate all the good and bad choices they had made throughout their lives. Until the actual Day of Judgment, no soul can be absolutely certain of how the scales will tip when his life is weighed. The Qur'an says that sometimes one small sin will tip the scales and send the soul to Hell. So the souls in Barzakh can simply fret and fret and fret for ages.

However, there is one simple way of avoiding Barzakh -- become a martyr. The newspapers always talk about the promise of the "72 virgins," but no Western sources I've seen have ever emphasized the relief the suicide jihadists must feel having "confidence" that they will not have to stew in Barzakh for years, but will immediately enter Paradise, "no questions asked." Martyrdom trumps any number of personal sins a soul may have.

Personally, I think that avoiding Barzakh is a much bigger selling-point than the virgins, and am astonished that none of the "experts" on Islam (like Pipes or Spencer or Lewis) ever mention it.

27 posted on 11/14/2006 3:55:01 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal
Personally, I think that avoiding Barzakh is a much bigger selling-point than the virgins, and am astonished that none of the "experts" on Islam (like Pipes or Spencer or Lewis) ever mention it.

< fog lifting moment >

:-o

28 posted on 11/14/2006 5:45:42 PM PST by papertyger
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To: attiladhun2
Actually, Islam is ditheistic. Since the Quran is co-eternal with Allah, it must have an existence independent of Him.

Nuh uh.

< /qutbian reasoning >

29 posted on 11/14/2006 6:03:20 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Valin
From what little I've read about this guy he had....issuse with women, he reminds me of that little geeky guy we all knew in high school, he did not play well with others.

Sounds like Adam Gadhan, ada "Goatboy." Islam is the perfect refuge for women-haters and latent homosexuals.
30 posted on 11/15/2006 10:01:38 AM PST by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: Dajjal

Learn something new every day.


31 posted on 11/15/2006 8:25:29 PM PST by Valin (Rick Santorum 08)
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To: wideminded

Lawrence Wright, writes about it in his book "The Looming Tower.
Highly recomend this book.


32 posted on 11/15/2006 8:27:35 PM PST by Valin (Rick Santorum 08)
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To: Dajjal; nuconvert
Personally, I think that avoiding Barzakh is a much bigger selling-point than the virgins, and am astonished that none of the "experts" on Islam (like Pipes or Spencer or Lewis) ever mention it.

If you talk to the terrorists that are recruited in the prisons you will find that this is a very important issue for them. But the sexual motive is as well important. I guess that this is the "stick and carrot" used to persuade these mentally weak persons.


BTH at this site http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-64218.html there is an interesting discussion about Al-Barzakh. They really are superstitious.
33 posted on 11/16/2006 12:30:36 PM PST by AdmSmith
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To: dennisw
Check this out
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/Jinns_that_haunted_mo.htm

"Well, Muhammad is dead and it is not easy to diagnose his mental health only through his writings and teh tales of his life. Prescribing medications for his is of no use either. But perhaps it's we who should take a dose of rational thinking, end this madness and come to our own senses. All indications make us suspet that the Prophet was a mentally disturbed, but what can be said about us who in our sanity still follow a disturbed man?"
34 posted on 11/16/2006 12:37:23 PM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

Why would anyone want to follow Muhammad and emulate his life? But that's what Muslims are commanded to do by the Koran. They are so mislead and stupid that they believe Muhammad lead a life worth emulating


35 posted on 11/16/2006 6:13:28 PM PST by dennisw ("For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks-- Matt. 12:34)
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To: AdmSmith
BTH at this site http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-64218.html there is an interesting discussion about Al-Barzakh. They really are superstitious.

Thanks for the link! I'll read it later tonight.

36 posted on 11/16/2006 7:31:53 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: USF

It’s obvious where your sonconscious resides. Only someone subconsciously rooted in Jahiliyya would take such an angle to attack a piece of work that fends off any other angle of approach. You can’t hate or deny the message, so you (take the low road) hate & attack the messenger at such a lowly, base level (author)... How Sad...


37 posted on 05/27/2008 6:30:27 AM PDT by codestream (Maximum Cultural Development is the New Black Imperative!)
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