Prostitute nabs crooked cop with his own badge

Reuters ^ | Thu Sep 28, 1:19 PM ET | Staff

[newgeezer]

In your view, clearly, a prostitute, cannot, by definiton, be raped.

When she's actively offering it for sale, she cannot be raped. Kidnapped, extorted, robbed, falsely imprisoned, attacked, battered, beaten, etc., yes. Raped, no.

[monday]

"That's basically what the cop did to the hooker. "Rape" is nowhere on your list."

neither is theft which is what you think raping a prostitute is.

I don't know what you do, but if I kidnapped you and forced you to work at what you do as a slave for me, I presume you would be happy if the police only charged me with theft of your services if they catch me right? After all I am only forcing you to do for me what you would otherwise do for money.

[newgeezer]

I guess the notion of a crime against a person

Just to be clear, I'm suggesting she forfeits any special sanctity accorded to that part of her personhood when she's actively offering it for sale.

During that time, although rape is impossible, many other "crime[s] against a person" are possible.

[newgeezer]

see #101 and #103.

[dmz]

When she's actively offering it for sale, she cannot be raped.
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Excellent. So you agree, in this situation that we are discussing today, she was raped. She was not actively offering anything for sale to the Law Enforcement Officer.

I knew you'd come around once the reality of the situation became clear to you.

That's why you're a new geezer. Old geezers would stubbornly stick to their previously stated opinions and never give them up, even in the face of massive evidence to the contrary.

[newgeezer]

She was not actively offering anything for sale to the Law Enforcement Officer.

If that's the case, she very well may have been sexually assaulted.

However, in the general case where a cop pulls up to a street walker and demands sex, I stand by my earlier statements.

[monday]

"Just to be clear, I'm suggesting she forfeits any special sanctity accorded to that part of her personhood when she's actively offering it for sale."

Nope. She has the same human rights as you do. She doesn't forfeit anything by consenting to sex sometimes. She still has the right to say no at any time and if she is forced, then it is rape just as certainly as if she had been a virgin.

[Dead Corpse]

When she's actively offering it for sale, she cannot be raped.

If she says "no", it's rape. REgardless of what else she does. Period. End of story.

[monday]

"However, in the general case where a cop pulls up to a street walker and demands sex, I stand by my earlier statements."

Are you a cop who does this? Why do you insist that it's ok?

[newgeezer]

Are you a cop who does this?

No.

Have you been raped? Is that what prevents you from seeing the obvious difference between a woman who's selling it and one who is not?

Why do you insist that it's ok?

Where did I say "it's ok" or anything of the sort? What he did was criminal. It's just not rape.

[Dead Corpse]

Is that what prevents you from seeing the obvious difference between a woman who's selling it and one who is not?

There is no difference. None. She is still an individual who has a Right to her own person. "Acts of capitalism between consenting adults."

Once that "consent" is removed, it's rape. Period.

[dmz]

What he did was criminal.
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OK. What crime, specifically, is this cop guilty of? You said he did something criminal. What was it?

[newgeezer]

Once that "consent" is removed, it's rape. Period.

For all the reasons stated previously, it shouldn't be. While she's a street vendor, she's willing to sell it.

If a hooker says "No" simply because the guy's unwilling to pay for it, and you want to call that "rape," you've defined the word "rape" to mean taking sex without paying the going rate for it.

That may be a lot of things, but it's not rape.

[Dead Corpse]

What was it?

Rape. For starters.

[Dead Corpse]

For all the reasons stated previously, it shouldn't be.

No. She's a female. If she said "no", I couldn't care less if she was a freakin' public utility giving it away to everyone else for free.

It's a consent thing that you are obviously having problems with due to personal distaste for prostitution. Tough. Get over it. I don't care if she had given freebies to the entire population of Beijing. All it takes is her saying "no" once to make it rape.

[dmz]

Rape. For starters.
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Which is what I've been saying all along. I was hoping newgeezer, who recognizes that a crime has been committed (but not rape), could fill us in on what the specific crime was.

[Dead Corpse]

He already stated that he felt is should be something along the lines of "theft of services". This goes further than that. You get someone to wash your car, but then reneg on payment, you aren't using you position of authority to sexually assault them. The analogy doesn't hold.

This was rape and should be prosecuted as such.

[monday]

"Is that what prevents you from seeing the obvious difference between a woman who's selling it and one who is not?"

There is no difference. If she says no, then it's rape.

[newgeezer]

OK. What crime, specifically, is this cop guilty of? You said he did something criminal. What was it?

I'm not certain what all he's qualified for. If she was selling her services when he picked her up (and it sounds like she was), he used his position as an officer of the law not only to (1) get her into his car, but also to (2) steal what she was selling.

So, I guess what he did is called extortion, kidnapping, robbery, etc. But, it's not rape.

[newgeezer]

If she said "no",

He should take it up with the Better Business Bureau.

You and your friends have devalued "rape" to be nothing more than a difference of $10 or $20.