Republicans get rid of their suspected predators.
Democrats worship theirs.
Posted on 10/01/2006 11:35:53 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
Edited on 10/02/2006 3:34:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Well the good news is that the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is finally getting it. I called their Director of Communications, Bill Burton, to let him know that the Foley thing (and another case) were coming down the pike. While Burton promised to have someone email or return my call and didn't, I am glad he followed up on my call and was ready on Friday to come out of the gate running.
The bad new is they are still not paying enough attention... There are others within reach... If the Democrats would only fight half as hard as the Republicans.
I posted comments at the DCCC website on the Foley entry. Not only do their promises of returned calls and emails never come to fruition, but now they are deleting my comments from their blog, The Stakeholder.
Luckily the comments were cached before they axed them.
Here's the one I put up at 9:55pm:
Very exciting.
I am glad my work on this is finally coming to fruition. I spoke with Bill Burton at the DCCC about this and I'm so glad you guys were able to jump in on the heels of my work.
Obviously we didn't have a chance at winning this seat, so this is great.
Good Job!
Mike Rogers
Blogactive.com
Posted by: Mike Rogers / September 29, 2006 09:55 PM
Here's the one I put up at 10:02pm: Very exciting.
I am glad my work on this is finally coming to fruition. I spoke with Bill Burton at the DCCC about this and I'm so glad you guys were able to jump in on the heels of my work.
Obviously we didn't have a chance at winning this seat, so this is great.
Good Job!
Mike Rogers
Blogactive.com
Posted by: Mike Rogers / September 29, 2006 09:55 PM
Well, at least they are paying attention.
Blogactive is a radical gay site that takes great pleasure in outing supposedly gay men, especially Republicans. The blog promised an expose on Mark Foley back in March 2005. The entry then said in part:
MARK FOLEY IS GAY MARK FOLEY WILL BE EXPOSED FOR THE HYPOCRITE HE IS THROUGH A MAIL AND INTERNET CAMPAIGN THAT WILL REACH INTO EVERY HOME IN HIS DISTRICT.
As best I can tell, they never ACTUALLY followed through with their expose then. I wonder why.... And now, he says he had contact with the DCCC.
Hmmmm.....
This behavior by the radical left is disgusting. I hope that Repubs are not going to fall for this.
I think we have had a good few days of showing sufficent rage over Foley. That rage can continue but its time to start getting facts down now and stop becoming unwitting helpers to blogactive agenda and others agenda of "outing" in the public sphere every suspected bi or homosexual high ranking Republican.
Comments I have left a number of messages with the DCCC with the hopes of finding a good elections attorney as I am sitting on information regarding voter registration fraud by a sitting GOP congressman. Additionally, why isn't the stakeholder covering the unbelievable story of Mark Foley and his emails with underage pages? If the DCCC wants to win two seats which are not on anyone's radar, please write to mrogers@blogactive.com Posted by: Mike Rogers | September 29, 2006 12:24 PM
Another blogger who admits he had the emails for two months:
a while back. I received copies of these emails several months ago, but couldn't confirm their veracity so I did not report on them. Well, they're out there now, and they've been confirmed.
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Did the DCCC break the law by withholding this information from law enforcement?
They knew about the emails for months, but did not turn them in to the authorities...
doesn't that make them complicit in any crimes which may have been committed by Foley?
Also, not one republican believes this is a coincidence that this has broken so close to the elections! How stupid do they think we are????
The behavior of Foley is what is truly disgusting.....have you read the transcripts of his messenger account? Revolting to the point of gagging would be more accurate.
That this man was hiding behind the hypocrisy of child protection legislation just tops it.....
Once you read the scripts you won't care how outed him or why......this "guy' needs to be in prison.....
Am I the only one that's noticed the teaser?
It would I bet.
But see this is the rub I bet. The Blogactive crew know exactly what is against the law. I am sure Foley knew too. Since it appears you can sleep with a 17 year old pretty much all over the country even if your 108 then I am having doubt that iming a 17 year old is a crime.
The email as to the 16 Louisiana boy had nothing criminal in it. That is important only because it shows some weird conduct and shows discomfort on the kids part. Again nothing criminal.
This is appearing more and more to me not to be an issue of criminal conduct but abuse of power and position. In this instance a ethical an moral violation. These Dem groups know that also I am seeing.
I think they are in the clear on the stuff they have.
The only other out I see is that no one can be prosecuted for the failure to report a crime one is not a part of.
Nope. And that's why I thought twice about posting this and giving this guy any additional attention. From Jane Austen's good work, it appears to be some sort of alleged voter registration fraud scandal. Dry and boring.
It is also important to prosecute those who knew about his proclivities towards young boys and yet covered it up. Those who found the messages pertaining to child abuse and did not take them to the authorities are also guilty of a crime...
regardless of their party affiliation, those who knew about Foley's messages to minors - and did nothing about them for OVER A YEAR - are to be condemned as well.
I think its time we find some facts out. There is no need to talk about Foley needing to be in prison if he didnt do anything illegal.
According to the law I can go outside my home and engage in sex with any 17 or 18 year old I find. Is that moral? Of course not. But this not following up Dem dirty tricks because we all feel we have to feel outrage. It was a huge abuse of power and position and trust regardless if it was illegal or not. That alone deserves his resigination. Since that has occured I am pretty satisified. If he committed a Feseral crime let hiom be prosecuted. But I have yet to see a statue yet
The key now is to figure out if our Republican leadership is being set up for scandal and to defamation regarding charges they are innocent of
I guess my question here is "is there a crime sending sexually suggestive IM's to 17 year old males"? I
f not I think we need to quit calling this a crime. I don't know the answer to that but since no news show has even produced a statute or referenced a Criminal Codal article I am having big doubts
Democrats worship theirs.
Of course it's a set-up, it's not just a coincidence this story broke so close to elections!
Crime or no crime, the Democrats are hoist by their own petard. If it is a crime, then they themselves are complicit due to the very fact that they hid the evidence for over a year...
But if it's not a crime, then Foley is merely guilty of being "gay", and they may be accused of intolerance for "outing" him for purely political reasons.
Either way, the Democrats cannot win on this issue. Whether Foley is a criminal or merely immoral, the Democrats will have a very hard time playing the "what did they know and when did they know it" game, considering that they themselves knew about Foley's proclivities first - and did nothing.
That is true. One thing I have not thought about if this was not a crime and you are right is that by remaining silent they were involved in that abuse of power of situation. In fact they allowed it to contiunue.
I just hope we start getting focused on this and take the offensive
This info will never air on the MSM, no way. The Foley story will continue to be the main topic on MSM til the elections! Unless people read FR, they are listening to & believing the MSM.
First, federal law defines a minor as under 18 however most state sexual predator statutes define a minor as young as 14 and as old as 18.
There are numerous felonies here if authorities would like to pursue not to mention the fact that Foley was the minor's employer and he saw the boy on several occasions after the IM's were sent.....meeting most federal and state statutes regarding solicitation and sexual pandering.
That technicality should be good to bury him in a prison for 5 years or better which for a little pansy butt boy like Foley will be a death sentence.....
I was listening to Drudge radio today and he was saying that the minimum age of over the Internet is 18 years of age and this is a federal law. Is he correct? I don't know.
Note that I didn't do the best cut & paste job - I had to type out the messages Rogers left on the DCCC message board because he has them in image files on his website. Please ignore everything from "Here's the one I put up at 10:02pm:" until the sentence immediately following "Here's the one I put up at 9:55pm:". I asked the mods to fix.
"Things that make you go hmmmm....
Blogactive is a radical gay site that takes great pleasure in outing supposedly gay men, especially Republicans. The blog promised an expose on Mark Foley back in March 2005. The entry then said in part:
MARK FOLEY IS GAY MARK FOLEY WILL BE EXPOSED FOR THE HYPOCRITE HE IS THROUGH A MAIL AND INTERNET CAMPAIGN THAT WILL REACH INTO EVERY HOME IN HIS DISTRICT.
As best I can tell, they never ACTUALLY followed through with their expose then. I wonder why.... And now, he says he had contact with the DCCC.
Hmmmm....."
Both Blog Active and Things that make you go hmmmm....
Blogactive is a radical gay site that takes great pleasure in outing supposedly gay men, especially Republicans. The blog promised an expose on Mark Foley back in March 2005. The entry then said in part:
MARK FOLEY IS GAY MARK FOLEY WILL BE EXPOSED FOR THE HYPOCRITE HE IS THROUGH A MAIL AND INTERNET CAMPAIGN THAT WILL REACH INTO EVERY HOME IN HIS DISTRICT.
As best I can tell, they never ACTUALLY followed through with their expose then. I wonder why.... And now, he says he had contact with the DCCC.
Hmmmm.....
Both Blog Active, and Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, probably agreed that information should come out closer to the election, but not so close that it might be suspicious to independent and conservative voters. Hmmmm.....
If he's guilty of more than being nice, I want him tarred, feathered and dipped in lime for safe keeping.
As I would want for any sex offender.
Homosexuality is a mental disorder. We need to treat these people, and government office isn't a therapy I recommend.
It isn't homosexuality he resigned over, it's sexually explicit instant messages to a teenage House Page. If it had been to a female House Page we would be hearing of the same result.
You must have only heard about the overly friendly sounding emails. That is all that Dennis Hastert apparently was told about. But then it came out that Foley had sent instant messages to some teenage male Page and they were very sexual and explicit.
Apparently a reporter from ABC had the text of these messages and called Foley and read them to him on the phone, basically saying, this is what I've got on you. Within an hour Foley had resigned his House seat.
You are wise not to rely on the MSM for the truth about anything, especially if it is something perceived to hurt Republicans.
As for your comment about homosexuality, I personally hold no brief for homosexual conduct.
However, I wanted to make clear that this involves teenage Pages of the House of Representative and would be a scandal even if the Page was female.
Also, that Foley has essentially admitted the instant messages were from him, and the gross and inappropriate nature of them, or else he would not have felt compelled to resign.
bump.
Did the DCCC break the law by withholding this information from law enforcement?
Good One!!!
(and horribly true)
"You must have only heard about the overly friendly sounding emails. That is all that Dennis Hastert apparently was told about. But then it came out that Foley had sent instant messages to some teenage male Page and they were very sexual and explicit."
This is the heart of the debate. Hastert's team was "told" about some over-friendly e-mails. They were not shown the text of the e-mails. Only this past week did they learn about the ultra-salacious instant messages.
The whole R leadership is to be tarred and feathered, when they were not aware of the IM's until now?
Who had those IM's in waiting? The FBI is on the case now, and it will be interesting to learn of their analysis of time/origin/reception of the IM's, ane who else had them.
Just posted -- dovetails with my comments!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1712019/posts
Check out this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1711702/posts
Here's an excerpt from the original post:
And one more point that our dimwitted lefty friends can’t seem to wrap their miniscule brains around; the incident that was brought to the attention of the Page Board is unconnected to any of the raunchy, sick emails ABC news got from, as Clarice informs us, CREW.”
Seems CREW has some explaining to do.
UPDATE III: CREW is a George Soros funded organization, but there is more:
“From 1995 to 1998, CREW’s Melanie Sloan served as minority counsel for the House Judiciary Committee under Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.). Before that, Sloan served as the nominations counsel on the Senate Judiciary Committee under Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.).
According to GOP research, Mark Penn, who had been a pollster for President Clinton, and Daniel Berger, a major Democratic donor, are on CREW’s board. Spokeswoman Naomi Seligman declined several requests to reveal the membership of CREW’s board, although she confirmed that Penn and Berger are members. Last year, Berger made a $100,000 contribution to America Coming Together (ACT), a 527 group that was dedicated to defeating Bush in the presidential election, according to politicalmoneyline.com, a website that tracks fundraising.”
So we have a person who served under Clinton, and Rep. “Inpeachment” Conyers, who just “happened” to obtain emails and chats and “holding them” to just six weeks out of a midterm election where IF Democrats gain control of Congress, said Rep. Conyers has promised to impeach President Bush. More here.
Right. CREW was also instrumental behind the “get Delay” effort. More on CREW here. By Sloan’s admission, when she came on board at CREW her “mission” (before anything was known) was to “get Tom Delay”.
However, if CREW did indeed withhold evidence against Rep. Foley, for any length of time, they may have stepped over the line. In any case, I think they are going to have some explaining to do.
The net widens and it's not just Republican's who somehow knew about the emails.
1 posted on 10/01/2006 11:18:38 AM PDT by Republican Red
FYI ping
Curiouser and curiouser....I was just at Gateway Pundit where they show the 2 e-mails...and you can tell they aren't the "same" even though they are supposed to be...
I can't believe Soros and gang is stupid enough to think they can get faked memos, e-mails, letters or anything by the pajamamedia again!!
and the plot thickens.....lol
Assuming both parties were in Florida, then it's handled by Florida law, but these communications more than likely crossed borders, which puts it in the hands of federal agencies, which in fact it is.
Every one knew that Foley is gay. I haven't read the IM's, but I think that we would need some proof before, IMs can be taken for real evidence. It would be extremely unusual to save the IM communications and the whole thing is just too convenient.
Hastert is calling for an investigation into when the Democrats were made aware of the information (also, when CREW was made aware, and if they withheld information for political purposes, that could have led to abuse of under age victims.
There is much speculation that this could be another case like the Bush National Guard documents, but a lot more difficult to disprove because of the use of instant messaging.
The question I have is from WHOM did ABC get the text of the IMs?
They did not know about these explicit IMs until just recently. The previous messages were e-mails sent to a FORMER page, after the young man had left his post with Congress. Apparently they were NOT of a sexual nature, they were just annoying to the young man, and he told the Congressional Republican leaders so they would make Foley stop sending them.
From what I've been able to gather, Republican leaders stepped in immediately when they were made aware of the more explicit IMs. The Republican leaders in Congress are not at fault here, only Mark Foley.
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