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Bush's top aide wanted Rumsfeld sacked
The Daily Telegraph ^ | October 2, 2006 | Damien McElroy

Posted on 10/01/2006 11:36:31 PM PDT by MadIvan

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To: MadIvan

Woodward is typical of the leftists in that they are so arrogant, they believe one of them and his book can change a presidential election. It takes a phalanx of good men armed with the truth and backed by ten times that many in contributions (see Swiftvets) to make a difference.


81 posted on 10/02/2006 7:26:19 PM PDT by Flightdeck
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Non-presidential elections, too!


82 posted on 10/02/2006 7:27:07 PM PDT by Flightdeck
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You don't accomplish doing that by running troops and equipment to death without allowing for replacements and equipment upkeep. What part of that can Rummy and congress not yet comprehend? If Rummy on 9/12/01 had went to the POTUS and before Congress and said we are going to war and we need more troops. Then you might be right. He would have gotten them too. Why didn't he? Why you tell me does he insist on running what we have left ragged? That includes troops on third Iraq deployments.


83 posted on 10/02/2006 7:33:41 PM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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You're a decrepit dinosaur. Go find a cozy place and extinct yourself.

Men with vision and courage will define and fight our future battles.

84 posted on 10/02/2006 7:35:35 PM PDT by JCEccles
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You're a decrepit dinosaur. Go find a cozy place and extinct yourself. Men with vision and courage will define and fight our future battles.

Let me tell you something. The PP Planning of the Poppy Bush years cost us an aircraft carrier. Not an oldie obsolete one either. It missed two critical yard periods and Clinton sent it out out on a third deployment much in the same shape as JFK and KH were after 9/11. THE SHIP HAD A MMR EXPLOSION UPON RETURN. Do you have a clue as to what 1200 PSI super heated steam is? Do you know it's dangers? It will cut your head off with a leak the size of a number 2 pencil lead. I kid you not.

Do you think our nuke Navy can deploy indefinitely as well? It can't nor can soldiers without down time. A nuke ship has the same maintenance rotation need as a conventional one. Are things being ran to the standard of Rickover? Nuke carriers are 1200 PSI systems just like the conventional. But that is but a part of the maintenance issue.

With what happened under Poppy Bush and Clinton it is wise to ask questions and expect answers other than well, you don't go to war with...." This is the 5th anniversary since 9/11 with a GOP congress and POTUS. Where's the help? Oh yea Rummy called up the NG's and reserves for the Upteenth time in the past 12 years for extended deployments. Many of them are on second tours as well. Yea he's a real sharp planner he is. Yippie!!!! We are one Pearl Harbor away from having our major Naval capacities wiped out well into two decades from now.

BTW what moron put three carriers in the same yard at the same time? Do you know and understand what material condition Zebra is and the impossibility of those ships obtaining it in that venue much less even Yoke? Worse what is across the river from that yard where those carriers are? We are a Pearl Harbor away from disaster unequaled since WW2. The best way to avoid it is not to go there to start with by making bonehead planning.

85 posted on 10/02/2006 8:08:49 PM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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Sounds like you should write a book. "If only they'd listened to me."


86 posted on 10/02/2006 8:31:17 PM PDT by ilovew (I love being a DoD intern...)
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Get a map of Norfolk, Virginia and study it a spell. Look up these locations International Piers, Norfolk Naval Ship Yard, Norfolk Naval Station, and Newport News Ship Building Company. Tell me what you think. Look at the interstate system there also. Then read the thread I'm pinging you to. It's just plain common sense!


87 posted on 10/02/2006 8:41:13 PM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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