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Confederate Flag Clothing Causes Controversy
WSBTV.com ^ | 10-6-2006 | WSBTV

Posted on 10/10/2006 5:08:28 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

The principal at a Fayette County middle school has banned all clothing with the confederate flag emblem...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: cbf; confederate; crossofsaintandrew; dixie; education; saintandrewscross; schools; segregation; southernheritage
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To: Al Gator
What you wrote is a joke, right? Because if you are serious, you are either a prevaricator or really, really ignorant.

Actually, those are the facts.

It is Confederate revisionist history that has distorted the truth of what the Confederacy was for and why it attempted secession.

Now, how did the legal election of Lincoln (despite his name not being allowed on Southern ballots) threaten the individual rights of the South?

The only one who had a right to revolt were the slaves.

The South split its own Democratic Party over slavery when Douglas refused to grant the South the right unlimited access to any State no matter how that State voted on slavery.

Even though Democrats voted on both sides of the issue on Tarriff's, it was slavery that broke up first the Democratic Party and then the Union.

41 posted on 10/10/2006 7:39:29 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: orionblamblam
Yeah and if Japan ever decided to kick the US bases off of its land, there wouldn't be a damn thing we could do about it except go to war. The South had already seceded, they were their own soveriegn country and there was nothing legal about the troops occupying Sumter at the time. Do you see any other foreign countries with military bases on our land? No, because we won't allow it. You think SC was going to allow an enemy base of operations to conduct business on it's soil. Ridiculous.

And yes, the battle itself was bloodless, read up on it. Read about the opposing Generals and their relationship with one another before the war. As much as a genius Beauregard was with artillery, he shelled Ft. Sumter for 24 hours and didn't cause a single casualty. That was the last chance for peace then. The CSA would not surrender and the Federals wouldn't let them go. That's the reason for the bloodiest war in our history.

42 posted on 10/10/2006 7:43:34 AM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Uniforms would be fine by me!


43 posted on 10/10/2006 7:45:37 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: n230099

Wouldn't that specifically be "Moslem Understanding and Outreach Day"?


44 posted on 10/10/2006 7:46:41 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: MortMan
They did not think each state had a right to govern its own people when they demanded that Northern States return runaway slaves and used the Federal gov't to enforce that law. Your own reply is inconsistent within itself. The south believed that each state DID have the right to govern itself. They allowed slavery. The slaves were considered property. They wanted their property returned.

Not every state allowed slavery.

That did not stop the slave owners from appealing to the Federal gov't to go into states and force those slaves back into slavery.

So, lets stop the hyprocrisy of the South fighting against a strong central Gov't when they had not qualms about using Federal power for their own interests and did not care what the other States thought about slavery.

That's un-PC, but the fact is, they had a case. The northerners who aided and harbored runaway slaves, according to the legal system of the slave states, were holding stolen property.

Yea, and that 'property' had every right to revolt from the tyranny that was holding it.

That is what the Confederate flag stands for, holding other people as 'property'-how noble.

But, according to the Constitution, the slaves did have to be returned, and Lincoln pledged to uphold that law.

So what was the complaint from the South regarding Lincoln and the Constitution?

He promised to uphold all the laws, even the ones he did not personally like or agree with.

Finally, P.C. has nothing to do with not considering people 'property', that is simply immoral and a contradiction that had to be addressed by eliminating slavery not defending it as a 'right'.

45 posted on 10/10/2006 7:47:49 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: sweet_diane
"Our school system has blue or white polo or button down shirts and khaki pants."

Sounds like your school system has uniforms rather than a dress code; or maybe you're saying that a supplementary dress code is needed to dictate how the uniforms are worn. If so, I'm not against that. What I view as unworkable (as evidenced by these continuing controversies about "inappropriate" slogans or images on T-shirts, etc.)is a dress code without uniforms.
46 posted on 10/10/2006 7:49:09 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Confederato; zgirl; dixie1202; righthand man; TexConfederate1861; chesley; rustbucket; JamesP81; ...

ping


47 posted on 10/10/2006 7:49:34 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: lovecraft

> The South had already seceded, they were their own soveriegn country and there was nothing legal about the troops occupying Sumter at the time.

The Soutyh seceeded with the lands of the South. Fort Sumter was Federal property. US air bases in Japan are *not* US federal proprty. Kennedy Space Center *is* federal property, so if Florida decides to secceed and join with Cuba, they don't get KSC.

> You think SC was going to allow an enemy base of operations to conduct business on it's soil. Ridiculous.

Yes, ridiculous... because Ft. Sumter was not on SC soil.

>> The CSA would not surrender ...

There was neither need nor cause for the CSA to surrender. The CSA had *succeeded.* They had won. Theyu were on their own. All that was left for them to do was decide what sort of relationship they would have with the United States. The CSA chose to go to war.

Live and learn.

And speaking of living and learning... I've gone round and round on this issue in just the last few days. Nothing further to be gained. As the Good Book says:

þrimr orðum sennas
kalattu þér við verra mann
opt inn betri bilar
þá er inn verri vegr

Words to live by.


48 posted on 10/10/2006 7:50:26 AM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: Polybius

bttt


49 posted on 10/10/2006 7:54:30 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Interesting vignette.

But "brutal" may be a bit strong. "Depressing" and "alienated" may be more accurate. If it was really brutal, those people wouldn't have existed.


50 posted on 10/10/2006 7:55:27 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: orionblamblam
"Yeah, and the Aztlaners have given you time to leave the US and return to Europe (presumably...). So when they attack you, will it be your fault?"

Your weakness is showing, OBB. The fact that I was BORN in NC and have 12 generations tied to this state's soil and the right to defend it is quite a bit different than that of a soldier's temporary station of his own making.

"The CSA committed an act of war upon the US, and the US retaliated."

South Carolina acted as the situation dictated. Andersen's move from Moutrie to Sumter was seen as a reinforcement of Sumter, in direct violation of ongoing discussions between Washington and the South Carolina represenatives who were conferring on the matter of the forts' dispensation to the CSA. One condition for the safety of those forts was that they remain exactly as they were, without reinforcement nor improvement, which Andersen chose to do under darkness. When asked to return his troops to Moutrie, Andersen's refusal was taken as an act of aggression, so the governor of SC gave the orders and decided to take Sumter. If Sumter was truthfully the trigger, there should never have been the invasion of federal troops into Virginia. Andersen's stay at Sumter was his own choice. His choice led to arms.

51 posted on 10/10/2006 7:55:44 AM PDT by azhenfud (an enigma between two parentheses)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Once upon a time, long, long ago in a galaxy far away, kids wore jackets and ties or dresses to school. Halcyon days now lost forever.


52 posted on 10/10/2006 7:57:58 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: fortheDeclaration

"The Confederacy and its flag do not represent freedom for anyone, they represent tyranny at its worst and crushing the Confederacy was one of the GOP's greatest moments."


ROFL "at its worst".

Let's see....

Hitler

Lenin

Stalin

Nero

Caligula

MOHAMMED

Any number of myriad butchers I can think of who were much more "worst".


53 posted on 10/10/2006 7:59:55 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Confederate tyranny was tyranny at its worst because they made it moral, as if they had a moral right to keep slaves.

In that, they do represent a proto-facist mind set.

Freeing two million souls from bondage was an excellent start for the new GOP.

54 posted on 10/10/2006 8:08:43 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: Grig
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55 posted on 10/10/2006 8:09:06 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Slavery is worse than murder? I don't know about that. Never mind many of those regimes that were murderous also had slaves in the millions.

It's not great, but frankly the fact that not everyone had to go around fearing for their very lives is telling.


56 posted on 10/10/2006 8:11:40 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Slavery is worse than murder? I don't know about that. Never mind many of those regimes that were murderous also had slaves in the millions. It's not great, but frankly the fact that not everyone had to go around fearing for their very lives is telling.

I did not say that the Confederacy was more brutal then the regimes you cited.

What I said was that it was the worst kind of tyranny, that is, a tyranny that shrouded itself in the cloak of morality.

57 posted on 10/10/2006 8:14:54 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: Polybius
If there is a symbol of the valor of the Southern common man who did his duty as he saw it to defend his homeland, that symbol is the Confederate Battle Flag.

Here's another -- the flag of a Confederate unit now on display in the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond, Virginia.


58 posted on 10/10/2006 8:19:16 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: fortheDeclaration

There had to be some "justification" for the killing and maiming of two million, "ending slavery" happened to sound the more "noble" while the red man perished under those same guns. Funny how arrogance of moral value seems to stick us in our own backs sometimes.

How to win a war? Remove the enemy's production engine and they'll die. Slavery was the South's production engine, without doubt, no contesting that. BUT it was a Northern STRATEGIC decision to free slaves and diminish the South's ability to resist - by far moreso than it was a morally higher calling of the North to do so. The "Union" proved itself not so moral in the treatment of the red man after it's "battle of morality" inflicted on those bad slave-holding states.


59 posted on 10/10/2006 8:19:40 AM PDT by azhenfud (an enigma between two parentheses)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Obviously, you are a product of public school.

You do not know the "facts".

The secessionist movement was driven by economics. The industrial north put undue tax and tarrif burdens on the agricultural south. That all began in the 1820's.

Lincoln putting slaves in the mix was a cynical effort to use a populist movement to further pressure the south.

If you think a bunch of southern poor boy white farmers went to war to preserve slavery for fewer than 1% of the plantations that owned them, you are out of your mind.

That's not "revisionist", that's true. You are the one spouting tainted history.


60 posted on 10/10/2006 8:21:40 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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