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Putin has joined the "Axis of Evil"
California Republic ^ | 10/10/06 | Joel Rosenberg

Posted on 10/11/2006 6:28:16 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Clemenza
"Russia and her miserable people are eternal enemies of the United States."
What makes any ordinary Russian, and not the KGB-led government, "an eternal enemy of United States"? And does "eternal" mean to you it was always that way, even before 1917, etc? If you believe that to be true, then you are simply an irrational bigot. You sound like an inverse of a typical paranoid Russian ultra-nationalist, who claim the West was always "out to get Russia". And why specifically St. Pete's? Almost sounds like a you have a personal problem with it for some reason.
41 posted on 10/12/2006 4:01:02 AM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: AmeriBrit

Can you provide the source, where you quoting from?


42 posted on 10/12/2006 4:03:04 AM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: Elsiejay
Let's not forget chinese control of the Panama Canal and the enemy's new friend chavez.

It's getting scary and, yeah, the press and the dems are on the side of the enemy.

43 posted on 10/12/2006 4:47:01 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Here's another time line for you from my files:

April 30, 2001 - Russian military forces intervened in a mock nuclear conflict between China and the United States over Taiwan during strategic exercises that included Russian preparations to use nuclear weapons on U.S. forces in Asia, The Washington Times has learned.

Russian forces help China in mock conflict

Feb 2002 - China's military is covertly buying U.S. commercial satellite photographs of Taiwan that U.S. intelligence officials say will be used to target the island with the mainland's growing arsenal of cruise and ballistic missiles. Satellite photographs of most of the island are being purchased by China through a South Korean company, U.S. intelligence officials say.

Global Security

Nov 2003 - In a tough statement, the Vice-Minister at Beijing's Taiwan Affairs Office Wang Zaixi said Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian's recent pro-separatist activities had crossed Beijing's "red line" and that they "run the risk of triggering a war" with the mainland. "War will break out if the island declares formal independence," state media on Wednesday quoted Wang as saying.

CNN

July 26, 2004 - About 18,000 Chinese troops using their country's most advanced weapons systems last week rehearsed coordinated air, sea and ground attacks on Dongshan, an island in the South China Sea that resembles Taiwan in terrain and weather.

Washington Post

Feb 7, 2005 - Quietly, with almost no notice taken in the U.S. media, Russia and China have just stepped up their military cooperation to a level not seen in half a century since the end of the Korean War.

Washington Times

Mar 8, 2005 — China unveiled a law Tuesday authorizing an attack if Taiwan moves toward formal independence, increasing pressure on the self-ruled island while warning other countries not to interfere.

ABC News

June 26, 2005 - China is building its military forces faster than U.S. intelligence and military analysts expected, prompting fears that Beijing will attack Taiwan in the next two years, according to Pentagon officials. U.S. defense and intelligence officials say all the signs point in one troubling direction: Beijing then will be forced to go to war with the United States, which has vowed to defend Taiwan against a Chinese attack.

Chinese Dragon Awakens

June 28, 2005 - China's decision to open up massive bomb shelters to the public, ostensibly to provide a respite from summer heat, has U.S. intelligence analysts concerned about a possible strategic deception by Beijing, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin. The Chinese specialist agreed with others knowledgeable about nuclear arms that such a maneuver – opening up large fallout shelters to the public on a regular basis would serve two strategic purposes for Beijing: It would familiarize the Chinese people to the shelters, making it easier to evacuate the public in times of potential nuclear attack; It would confuse Western intelligence analysts who monitor movements of the Chinese public by satellite as evidence of the government's intentions; In addition to monitoring missile launches, U.S. national security officials keep an eye on large-scale public movements in countries like China. If, for instance, city residents were seen moving in large numbers into fallout shelters, it would be a sign the government might be preparing for an attack of some kind.

But if such massive movements became routine – because shelters are opened up in the heat of summer and in the cold of winter to provide shelters from the elements – then such movements would more likely be disregarded as militarily insignificant in the West.

"Think about it," said one U.S. intelligence source. "If you were planning, at some point in the future, to launch a pre-emptive first strike on some enemy, wouldn't it make sense to do what the Chinese are doing?"

China activates bomb shelters

Anyone else hear a drum beat? I truly do think China and Russia are miffed at NK right now...Kim Jong Mentally-Il's ego has overstepped the boundaries of what they all have planned. Finally, IMHO, although the articles above discuss Taiwan, I fear a strike on Japan by NK will be the first blow in a huge battle to come.

44 posted on 10/12/2006 8:19:06 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: FlyVet
"How many religions die? "
How many people are worshiping Zeus or Marduk? Bacchus cult is another matter - the drinking cult is very much alive. But you make one error of not quite trivial nature. Communism is not a religion but an ideology and [another related meaning of the word] a way of life. There is a difference between an ideology and a religion, although they continuously lay reciprocal claims to each other domains and functions:
Ideology is concerned with a behavior and uses [or pretends to use] professed beliefs as a means. No sane person believes in an ideology, but they behave it [or else]. Thus, one could say that an ideology exists to be behaved, and not to be believed in, and that a sincere ideology believer, when and if such one happens, is an embarrassment and a pain in everyday life. Now, religion concerns itself primarily with the beliefs and uses [or attempts to use] behavior and ritual as a means. Thus a religion exists to be believed in, and not to be behaved, for a sincere religious behaver [a "saint"] is likewise a massive embarrassment and a pain in everyday life.
45 posted on 10/12/2006 8:29:22 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: RusIvan

No.

And, please keep in mind, none of this is directed at you personally. ;p But you asked for a reason. And I'm giving you an honest answer.

It's because they are careening towards totalitarianism, with heavy approval from the people. Also, because there are deep pockeys of xenophobia. And massive stockpiles, frequently poorly guarded, of WMDs. And powerful organized crime out of control, and which has infilitrated high levels of military and government because of a culture of corruption. And because the average lifespan of a Russian male is plummeting to third world levels (I believe average male lifespan is 58 is the statistic I last saw).

Also, because they are trying to play not just both sides, but all sides, and then play each other. And because they are not sure whether they want to be European or Asian. And because they don't have the capability to guard their eastern marches against Chinese encroachment. And because civil liberties don't seem to be as enshrined in their value set as it does in the west. Also, because of the last 15-20 years of instability, and the Soviet dictatorship before that gives me little opportunity to hope.

I don't think that Russia is without hope, or value. And its not that I don't think that Russians as a people aren't cool (well, at least the ones I know in Canada...I only know one Russian-Russian, and he was a university student.) But independent policy, and sometimes openly hostile (not to mention counterproductive) policies are two different, but not mutually exclusive things.

That Russia exercises an independent policy, and does not follow the US, should surprise and disappoint exactly one guy in eastern Angola. Noone grudges them that. But if they think they can continue on their present course and not alarm or provoke anyone, they are delusional.


46 posted on 10/12/2006 9:18:58 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: RusIvan
Study Clintonism and you will have the picture of what has evolved from Soviet style communism. Western capitalism is NOT just about making dollars, although many believe that is the only difference in communism and capitalism.

I do not hold Russia as completely responsible for her approach they did get Clintonized.
47 posted on 10/12/2006 9:30:28 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: GSlob
Thanks for your interesting post.

I suppose I see communism and other totalitarian ideas as a religion because of the idolatry I see in them. Worship of the State, and worship of the leader. You see demonstrations all the time in the Middle east in which the participants hold portraits of their favorite imam or ayatollah high in the air. You see heroic-looking statues of the leader in every town square, and bigger-than-life murals on the sides of the buildings. They demand to be worshiped and are worshiped by many.

48 posted on 10/12/2006 9:50:30 AM PDT by FlyVet (Dan 4:17 "The basest of men")
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To: murphE
Thanks for the link. In the past I've been chastised on FR over discussing this prophesy.
49 posted on 10/12/2006 10:47:54 AM PDT by AmericaUnite
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To: RusIvan
As a sovereign nation, Russia has every right to "exercise her independent policy...". But that doesn't mean those policies won't make enemies for her, if said policies threaten other nations.
50 posted on 10/12/2006 10:56:08 AM PDT by LIConFem (Just opened a new seafood restaurant in Great Britain, called "Squid Pro Quid")
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To: FlyVet

It is NOT a worship in the least. I come from the former USSR. On TV you might have seen similar crowds there, too: in advance of such an "event" at their working places the people you saw on the demonstrations would be CONSCRIPTED to attend such "events" in support or protest whatever it was du jour. There were enough informers and "activists" to ensure that people [we are not talking elite, but peons] came, and those who did not would be facing consequences. This is what is meant by: ideology is "behave, or else". When in the 16th century the failure to attend the church meant a summons to the Inquisition office or its analogs in early Protestant countries, the religion was showing its ideological aspect.


51 posted on 10/12/2006 12:40:48 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: rjp2005
"Who do you think will be Russia's president in 2008?"
A Tupin. Somebody distinguishable only by a small transposition of a few letters in the surname. As the good book says, "no matter whose a-hole is filling the chair, the chair is always filled with an a-hole". Every leadership is always adequately reflecting its society [or rather the socially active part of it], for this is the meaning of "every people deserves its government". So, unless "the people" change, or a different and significant part of that "people" becomes socially active, you are going to get a tupin.
52 posted on 10/12/2006 1:03:20 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob; FlyVet

Isn't that what Lenin was talking about in his essay "Leftwing Communism, an Infantile Disorder"?

Basically, he said all idealistic/religious believers in Marxism needed to be purged from the party because they were incapable of carrying out *both* Marxist and anti-Marxist actions in order to further the revolution. In other words, they were just plain useless, or worse, they go in the way!


53 posted on 10/12/2006 1:53:30 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

You are getting it. Another source of confusion is that the word "communism" denotes, properly speaking, the way of life, supported and promoted by an ideology which is also called "communism". This way of life, however, could, and did, exist with a different ideological garnish as well. To avoid unnecessary sophistry and duplication and substitution between the word meanings, when one calls putin a commie, one means first and foremost his adherence to this way of life [as manifested in sociological behavior] - i.e. that he is a behavioral commie, that he behaves as a commie nomenklaturist, and not that he parrots marxist quotes, is humming "International", carries a party card or is waving a red banner. In this sense our own clintons are commies, too.


54 posted on 10/12/2006 2:05:40 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

Do you think there is still some sort of party control in Russia, or have they truly evolved into a multi-party system? In other words, who's in charge in Russia right now *and* are they in charge in the same way as they were during the Cold War?


55 posted on 10/12/2006 2:33:36 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He has always been a member.


56 posted on 10/12/2006 2:34:41 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...
Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING!!!

To be added or removed from this list, Please FReepmail me...

57 posted on 10/12/2006 2:42:25 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

Russia will move against Israel in the future,along with persia. I only hope the US isnt the modern day babylon that is destroyed in under a day. If we are to fall in the future I hope we launch all the big ones at russia and china.


58 posted on 10/12/2006 2:59:48 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

Russia, Iran and China will move against Israel and our forces in the Middle East, and North Korea, China and Russia will move against Japan and Taiwan. They will fail.


59 posted on 10/12/2006 3:03:33 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: GodGunsGuts

The Our Russia (Putin's) party is the continuation of the CPSU. The KPRF is a bunch of old Stalinists and are usually allied with the Our Russia party.


60 posted on 10/12/2006 3:04:40 PM PDT by Thunder90
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