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1 posted on 10/12/2006 10:09:24 AM PDT by freemarket_kenshepherd
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Personal I believe that churches should not be tax exempt. The exemptions helps keep the churches under the thumb of the government. Keeps them out of the political arena.
2 posted on 10/12/2006 10:13:13 AM PDT by svcw
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And I know that the next time Hillary and/or other demosocialist pols go pandering for the black vote at their churches and give their campaign speech from the pulpit the NYT is going to run a front page, above the fold complaining about separation of church and state!


3 posted on 10/12/2006 10:13:48 AM PDT by marlon
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>Churches “enjoy an abundance of exemptions from regulations and taxes” and the result is “religious organizations of all faiths stand in a position that American businesses – and the thousands of nonprofit groups without that ‘religious’ label – can only envy,”

Entirely true.



> In a country where 92 percent say they believe in God or a higher power, according to a recent Baylor University study, Henriques never mentioned that members of all the religious organizations would also be taxpayers

Entirely irrelevant.

If churches are tax exempt, why not gun shops or book stores or internet providers or newspapers or Union organizers or lobbyists?


4 posted on 10/12/2006 10:16:46 AM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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From another FR thread today on the Gay Games:

Kevin Boyer, a spokesman for Chicago Games Inc., the local non-profit that staged the event, said there is little chance the Chicago Games won't at least break even. He acknowledged that some bills have been paid a bit slowly but insisted there will be no financial losers when the final tally is done.

So, does the New York Times object to this? Nope. Our tax dollars should support the Gay Games, but not churches? Charming. (NOT)

5 posted on 10/12/2006 10:19:42 AM PDT by GOPJ ("When are we going to realize we're at war with Iran, in Iraq? " - Freeper sandbar)
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"In Government's Name: NYTimes Bashes Religious Tax Exemptions"

Underlying most of the liberals' hatred for conservatism is their hatred for religion and God. I've known this for years. Most of the liberal agenda is an anti-religious one, abortion, homosexual 'rights', legalized lewdness and pornography..... all of these things fly in the face of Christianity and orthodox Judaism. What religion would deny the liberals, they seek to obtain through government policy. And if they can use the government to suppress religion, all the better for them.

6 posted on 10/12/2006 10:20:11 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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The authors do a good job in pointing out how absurd this lady's arguments are, and what a nut she is.


7 posted on 10/12/2006 10:20:18 AM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
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Universities, colleges, and other non-profit organizations enjoy the same tax breaks.

" • “These organizations and their leaders still rely on public services – police and fire protection, street lights and storm drains, highway and bridge maintenance, food and drug inspections, national defense. But their tax exemptions shift the cost of providing those benefits onto other citizens. The total cost nationwide is not known, because no one keeps track.”


8 posted on 10/12/2006 10:22:10 AM PDT by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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I don't think churches should be tax-exempt either. Not only has it resulted in their avoiding certain political activities as one means of expressing their faith, but it has also make nearly all churches (and other types of religious groups) utterly sheeplike when it comes to the ever-expanding socialist tax-and-spend government. Tell the churches they have to pay income tax on all the contributions they receive, and only get deductions for things the IRS approves of, and you'd get a tidal wave of "Cut taxes now!" preaching from pulpits across the land. That could only be beneficial.


11 posted on 10/12/2006 10:29:03 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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Your tax dollars at work:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1

With a $200,000 budget shortfall on an event organizers predicted would at least break even, everything must go.

By shedding these assets and soliciting donations, organizers who ran the Games on a $10 million cash budget say they will get back to zero or maybe even generate a slight surplus by the spring.

Either way, Gay Games leaders say they have proved the event doesn't need to be the notorious money loser it has been in recent years.

Kevin Boyer, a spokesman for Chicago Games Inc., the local non-profit that staged the event, said there is little chance the Chicago Games won't at least break even.

13 posted on 10/12/2006 10:32:58 AM PDT by GOPJ ("When are we going to realize we're at war with Iran, in Iraq? " - Freeper sandbar)
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As I said earlier, given that thanks to shield laws and court decisions on defamation law (not to mention the First Amendment), the press has a rather extensive "benefit of clergy" of its very own, I find the Times' decision to go after religious organizations...droll, putting it mildly.


25 posted on 10/12/2006 11:30:32 AM PDT by RichInOC (The New York Times...All The Classified Material That's Fit To Print.)
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I read some of the articles in the NYT.

Right now, tax-exempts are subject to tax for UBTI (Unreleated business taxable income). Basically, this means that while tax-exempts can invest in companies, and get capital gains, dividends and interest (as long as the company isn't a pass through like an LLC). What a tax-exempt cannot do is operate a business directly, without a corporate shell (well, it can, but this becomes subject to income taxes according to the UBTI statutes).

The reason for this is suppose Harvard University decided it would opeate a computer company and compete with Dell. If it could do this on a tax-free basis, Dell couldn't compete. Dell needs to pay property tax, income tax, etc. So if the operation isn't central to your non-profit's mission, then you cannot operate outside of the UBTI statutes.

Some of the examples in the NYT article seemed like they should be subject to the UBTI, like a condo complex for wealthy seniors. But maybe not: it depends on who qualifies for the housing, etc. Perhaps the UBTI needs to be a bit more strongly adhered to...

27 posted on 10/12/2006 11:34:35 AM PDT by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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The New York Times has been on an anti-religion jihad this week with three front page negative articles in a row.


33 posted on 10/12/2006 11:46:31 AM PDT by fschmieg
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Take away the ACLU tax exempt status and I would then care just a microgram about churches tax exempt status.


34 posted on 10/12/2006 11:48:15 AM PDT by listenhillary (Islam = Religion of peace. If you say otherwise, we'll kill you!)
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