Is Israel in America’s Interest?

FrontPage Magazine ^ | 13OCT06 | Martin Kramer

[azhenfud]

Pardon, I should have been more astute and written, "Biblical precepts INFLUENCING our FP..."

Truly, "governing" was the wrong word.

[F.J. Mitchell]

I think it's that Biblical bond."

As do I. But IMHO there is also a here and now, united we stand, divided we perish bond, between the USA and Israel.

[Donna Lee Nardo]

Exactly, and we should remind Kramer that doing the right thing is sometimes a welcome and honourable burden. That's just the way it is.

[RoadTest]

"I think it's because we are one of the few countries on the planet that Loves Jews. We do not tolerate anti-semitism, and most of our people love Israel right-or-wrong. Frankly I can't think of any other country that supports the right of the Jewish People to exist as the US does."

I'm saying we both have the same Father, though the Jews don't know it yet. That creates our bond in the here and now.

[streetpreacher]

I can tell that you approach every topic with thoughtful analysis and deep thought.

[upcountryhorseman]

haven't you heard, oil isn't going to run out, There have been huge new discoveries: The Green River Field, off the
Gulf of Mexico, South America, etc.

[upcountryhorseman]

Actually, Israel doesn't have a democracy: Their government
and economy is modelled after European Socialism with their
own variations.

[No Blue States]

Right, not only are they our allies as a nation, but our brothers in Christ to believers.

The apostle Paul agrees:

Romans 3:28-30

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

Romans 9:23-25

23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He says also in Hosea:

“ I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved.”

Genesis 22:18

In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

We owe much to Abraham

[Jack2006]

...rather than being a slave to the thoughts of other people?

If a=b is true then a=b must always be true.

In this thread a=b unless it doesn't suit them. :P

In other words, "The Bible is the word of God and we shall always follow his command. It is always literally true...well...except for that bit!" :)

[Recall]

God told us to. It's that simple.

[RoadTest]

Thanks for doing my Bible study for me. :-)

[Radix]

I've read the Bible...and I am not nearly as confused about what it actually says as you seem to be!

[No Blue States]

Hebrews 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

[gbaker]

Your post doesn't even apply to my comments.

[Jack2006]

I am not confused at all. It is those who see it as God's 100% literal commandment and then bizarrely justify why they don't agree with everything it says who are confused.

[Radix]

The Bible is quite a bit deeper than the mere words on text.

Allegory and Symbolism are big parts of the entire work.

The hard part is the discerning between what was real and genuine for the one Covenant as opposed to what was or is real and genuine for another Compact.

When I am confronted with different positions that seem contradictory I tend to try to understand the position of the contrarian and work from some common point toward at least some understanding.

My sense here is that, at least one of us has so made up their mind about something that even a reasonable discourse is unlikely to bear good fruit.

Perhaps that is true of more than just one here.

So then, I will say that that the entire point of the work might be....that "man should not eat from the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil."

It is (might be) all about knowledge, and in my experience, most people have very little of it.

[Jack2006]

So we both agree that the bible should be interpreted and analysed as not everything should be taken literally.

That is all I have been saying.

And it therefore follows that American Foreign Policy should not be dictated by the Old Testament books written thousands of years ago.

[Radix]

So we both agree that the bible should be interpreted and analysed as not everything should be taken literally.

That is all I have been saying.

And it therefore follows that American Foreign Policy should not be dictated by the Old Testament books written thousands of years ago.

 

I have a hunch that we might not actually agree on a whole lot.

 

On the other hand, we are both posting on the same day, at the same site, and on the same thread.

 

Actually, I think that you might get a lot more excitement out of posting about Biblical things and Politics just to antagonize folks who likely know a lot more than you do concerning the subject matters.

 

As for me and my house.........we'll leave the antagonizing to the professionals. Well, this time anyhow!

[Thinkin' Gal]

Ever wonder why this country is so prosperous and blessed? Did you think it was because we were so Godly? Think again.

Deut 33:13-17

13 And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the LORD be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,
14 And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,
15 And for the chief things of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the lasting hills,
16 And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.
17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

For several years "America the Beautiful" was sung to almost any popular air or folk tune with which the lyrics fit: "Auld Lang Syne" was one of the most common. Today it is sung to a melody written in 1882 by Samuel Augustus Ward, a Newark, New Jersey, church organist and choirmaster. Ward originally composed the melody (also titled "Materna") to accompany the words of the sixteenth century hymn "O Mother Dear, Jerusalem." When the National Federation of Music Clubs sponsored a 1926 contest to elicit new music for Bates' poem but failed to find a winner, Ward's music prevailed.

"America the Beautiful" has been called "an expression of patriotism at its finest." It conveys an attitude of appreciation and gratitude for the nation's extraordinary physical beauty and abundance, without triumphalism.

More at...

http://memory.loc.gov/cocoon/ihas/loc.natlib.ihas.200000001/default.html

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Oh beautiful, for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America! God shed his grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood, from sea to shining sea.

Oh beautiful, for pilgrims' feet
Whose stern, impassioned stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America! God mend thine ev'ry flaw;
Confirm thy soul in self control, thy liberty in law!

Oh beautiful, for heroes proved
In liberating strife,
Who more than self their country loved
And mercy more than life!
America! America! May God thy gold refine,
'Til all success be nobleness, and ev'ry gain divine!

Oh beautiful, for patriot's dream
That sees, beyond the years,
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America! God shed his grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood, from sea to shining sea!

[freema]

"O Mother Dear, Jerusalem" credited to F. B. P. written in the 16th century.

O mother dear, Jerusalem, When shall I come to thee? When shall my sorrows have an end? The joys when shall I see? O happy harbor of the saints! O sweet and pleasant soil! In thee no sorrow may be found, No grief, no care, no toil.

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