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Five Years Later, Anthrax Questions Swirl Anew at FBI
Newhouse ^ | October 13, 2006 | Kevin Coughlin

Posted on 10/13/2006 3:46:10 PM PDT by Shermy

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To: Battle Axe
Real quick on "out of the way" ~ after about 7 PM no one puts mail in street collection boxes on Friday evening, through Monday morning.

You will find one or more such boxes in every commercial district. No one is watching them after hours. Besides, no one is going to be concerned if a carload of Arabs pulls up to a street collection box and drops in a letter (before 9/11).

121 posted on 10/17/2006 6:36:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: musicman

The Freeper you refer to was probably The Great Satan.

Personally, I think he may have been right. He got a lot of opposition for his ideas on FR, and eventually might have lost his temper over it. I never read the posts that got him banned, but I thought he brought a lot interesting ideas to the table.

The FBI (and the U.S. government as a whole) would certainly not have wanted to panic the U.S. population, so they would have had a motive to insist it was a home grown source.

The best argument AGAINST Saddam's involvement is that the spores were supposedly not that difficult to make. The FBI seems to have reversed itself and now says it was "simple", so the odds that it was "home grown" have gone up (unless you believe the FBI is lying). But even if it was "simple", it does not rule out Saddam. I remain skeptical.


122 posted on 10/17/2006 6:37:45 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: Shermy
No, I'm not saying embossed envelopes are handled differently (in theory). Rather, it has to do with the O and D, origin/destination charactristic of the mail ~ in this case we are talking about individual to individual letters. They are in a distinct minority of mail types.

Plus, major mail generation (and mail collection) operations occur BEFORE 7 PM Friday evening. USPS doesn't even process mail on Sunday although it does fly it around the country, or dispatch it on trucks.

People do not mail much stuff on the weekends. It's easy for the handful of pieces entered late on a Friday evening (after last prayers at the mosque) to get lost for a few days ~ in fact, the system is virtually designed to ensure that this happens!

My thesis is that everything happened normally, and that the terrorists could not possibly have anticipated things going down this way.

123 posted on 10/17/2006 6:41:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Battle Axe
"IF the anthrax arrived at AMI other than the US mail, why then would Stephanie Daily and Ernesto Blanco be the only two other persons who tested positive."

Blanco worked the mailroom. Stephanie opened some letters. But Bob Stevens had nothing to do with the mailroom. It's Stevens that the letter theory doesn't fit.

Sure, the anthrax *could* have been sent via a letter (though no such letter was ever found), but it could also have come in through tainted cash.

Cash follows funny paths that could easily have crossed by all three AMI employees.

124 posted on 10/17/2006 7:27:43 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: muawiyah
And then there is the question....why just those two senators?

Same deal as AMI and the NYT. The perps are foreign born Arabs. They do not understand our culture at all. Atta didn't either. One of the most telling insights is the account of the USDA woman who interviewed Atta on the spray plane deal. Atta thought she could open the safe behind her and dish out the money.

I had a Danish roomie in college who also thought the tabloids were an important, respected part of our culture. She said...they were up there by the cash register, so they must be important.
If those two senators were in the news a great deal, then they also must be important. If the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was intended for the White House, then there was no need to send a letter there. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have sent one there.
125 posted on 10/17/2006 9:20:49 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Allan

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126 posted on 10/18/2006 2:36:22 AM PDT by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: justshutupandtakeit; Shermy; VOA; genefromjersey; TrebleRebel
"A clever high school student could make such a preparation"

Provided he had access to a BL4 lab.

127 posted on 10/18/2006 3:03:02 AM PDT by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: Southack
Your cash theory is interesting, however does not bear out. Stevens would have carried the cash out of the building and distributed it in the community and on vacation in North Carolina.

There are no reports that I know of anywhere else of infections in those areas. Only the locations where the mail would have arrived and been opened, examined and then discarded. I think they routinely destroyed all the mail they got each day in an incinerator.

Bob Stevens would have been the recipient of some of the mail. He was a photo editor. Reportedly he had the habit of holding things very close to his face so he could see. This would enhance the travels of the spores.

They also say that Otillie Lundgren ripped her junk mail up and Kathy Nguyen loved to smell everything.
128 posted on 10/18/2006 3:39:24 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe
One of my most difficult battles in working with this thesis is getting across to my fellow Freepers that AMI publications are:

1. NOT America's most important newspapers, and

2. They ARE, on the other hand, extremely influential, particularly with people with limited skills in English.

It's not even a class thing ~ more cultural.

129 posted on 10/18/2006 4:08:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Battle Axe

Don't sniff the mail.


130 posted on 10/18/2006 4:09:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Battle Axe; muawiyah
My theory (admittedly with no evidence to back it up) is the Islamic terrorists found out the building was the center of "American Media, Inc", and being ignorant of our culture as has been correctly noted, thought that they had hit the nerve center mother lode of American journalism. It wouldn't surprise me much if they really believed that they could cripple the American press by taking out this building. They thought they could cripple our economy by attacking the World Trade Center.

But regardless of whether or not I'm right about this, from the beginning it never made one iota of sense that a sophisticated American scientist who presumably lives and/or works somewhere in the northeast corridor would for some strange reason choose THAT place to send an anthrax letter to, along with Congress and some major media outlets.

131 posted on 10/18/2006 7:25:40 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: jpl

It only makes sense for an attack to be made on AMI inc. if you are a funny little foreign guy who has noticed that his copy of Star was published by AMI.


132 posted on 10/18/2006 9:38:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jpl

"But regardless of whether or not I'm right about this, from the beginning it never made one iota of sense that a sophisticated American scientist who presumably lives and/or works somewhere in the northeast corridor would for some strange reason choose THAT place to send an anthrax letter to, along with Congress and some major media outlets."


I'm with you right there. Why on earth choose tabloids that run stories about Dolly Parton giving birth to aliens to send your anthrax powder to? A US scientist or insider just doesn't do that. And then there's the JLo letter - beyond bizarre! Why choose to write JLo's name on a letter full of anthrax? Of course, Ed Lake simply denies that the JLo letter did contain anthrax. But what are the chances of a letter containing pink colored powder to arrive at AMI the same week as another real anthrax letter? Note PINK colored powder, not white. Guess what color anthrax powder is often described as being?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1005-02.htm

The anthrax buried on Vozrozhdeniye Island is a pink powder that was designed specifically to infect humans.



133 posted on 10/18/2006 10:40:14 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: muawiyah

And there was a person, not sure if he was a hijacker, or a friend of the hijackers that had a subscription to one of their publications in SPANISH.

I can see them checking the wrong box.

But you are right....lots of pictures, maybe they even learned some English from reading the thing.

The lone male American scientist would only think of the NYT and the AMI building if he used darts on encyclopedias.


134 posted on 10/18/2006 10:48:31 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: jpl
The way I looked at it was exposure. If the perps managed to infect all of the copies of The Star, The Enquirer, etc etc, and those publications were set next to the long lines at the check out counter, the maximum coverage would occur.

Certainly everyone had exposure to the copies. What they didn't know was that they are NOT published in that building and sending a letter to that building would not infect all that are distributed throughout the country.
135 posted on 10/18/2006 10:58:02 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: TrebleRebel
Of course, Ed Lake simply denies that the JLo letter did contain anthrax.

I don't "simply deny" it. I provide the facts and evidence which clearly says that J-Lo letter did NOT contain anthrax:

1. According to AMI's #1 newspaper, The National Enquirer, the J-Lo letter was opened on the third floor. According to the CDC, the third floor is the least contaminated floor in the building. The link to their report is HERE.

2. Bobby Bender, who is the person who opened the J-Lo letter, was not one of those contaminated by anthrax.

3. Bender carried the opened J-Lo letter all around the third floor, yet that floor was the least contaminated floor and he was not contaminated.

4. Stephanie Dailey, the person who opened the REAL anthrax letter and was contaminated by the REAL anthrax letter, was on vacation when the J-Lo letter was opened, so she could not have been contaminated by the J-Lo letter.

5. The area where Stephanie Daily opened the REAL anthrax letter was the MOST contaminated area in the AMI building.

For anyone to believe the J-Lo letter contained anthrax, they must totally ignore the FACTS.

Ed

136 posted on 10/18/2006 11:21:31 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: Battle Axe
The way I looked at it was exposure. If the perps managed to infect all of the copies of The Star, The Enquirer, etc etc, and those publications were set next to the long lines at the check out counter, the maximum coverage would occur.

There's one problem with that theory. The diagrams of the three floors of the AMI building do not show any place for printing presses. It seems pretty clear that the actual newspapers were printed elsewhere.

Ed

137 posted on 10/18/2006 11:25:14 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: EdLake
"Stephanie Dailey, the person who opened the REAL anthrax letter and was contaminated by the REAL anthrax letter..."

No anthrax letter was ever recovered from Stephanie's mail, or Bob Steven's mail, or from any AMI mail.

It is therefore **undetermined** if the AMI infections were from the mail. Infections can come from other sources (e.g. cash, contact with the terrorists, etc.).

There was and is no known "real anthrax letter" sent to AMI.

138 posted on 10/18/2006 11:27:00 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Battle Axe
"Your cash theory is interesting, however does not bear out. Stevens would have carried the cash out of the building and distributed it in the community and on vacation in North Carolina."

Unknown. Stevens could have made change for someone inside the AMI building. Or lost a bet. Or paid a debt. Or handed out cash for someone to go grab donuts for the Office. Or any of a thousand different ways for his tainted cash to have crossed several AMI employees' hands.

139 posted on 10/18/2006 11:29:50 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: EdLake

Incredible, you cite the CDC article as your authority that the JLo letter didn't contain anthrax, and yet that article concludes it DID contain anthrax! You should work for the FBI. I seem to remember they recently published a paper citing an article in Science magazine as authority that the spores contained no additives, when the Science article actually stated the spores DID contain additives. And we all know the FBI lab's reputation for honesty and integrity.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol8no10/02-0354.htm

The index patient’s infection most likely occurred from inhalation of B. anthracis spores following a primary aerosolization, i.e., spores released into the air after opening a spore-containing letter. This scenario is consistent with co-workers’ recollections that the index patient held a letter containing powder over his computer keyboard, as well as environmental samples showing contamination at his keyboard, an incoming-mail desk near his workspace, and his mailroom mailbox.


140 posted on 10/18/2006 11:31:44 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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