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Minuteman committee aids GOP
Washington Times ^ | 16 October 2006 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 10/16/2006 2:50:31 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher

A political action committee created by the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, whose financial accountability has been challenged by MCDC members, has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations to support Republican candidates -- much of it through private companies with ties to conservative activist Alan Keyes.

Claiming access to 500,000 households nationwide, the Minuteman PAC has pledged to do what it can financially to help elect "committed and principled conservative leaders" -- citing as examples MCDC President Chris Simcox and Mr. Keyes.

"Our intent is to secure our borders, and we are hoping to influence the elections to get that done," said Rick Shafton, a political consultant in Sparta, N.J., who recently signed on as spokesman for the Minuteman PAC. "The Minuteman movement has proven to be very popular across the country, and it is raising a lot of money."

According to the most recent Federal Election Commission (FEC) records, the Minuteman PAC spent $240,000 through the first week of September on eight congressional campaigns, although just $5,000 was direct candidate contributions.

The FEC records also show that about 60 percent of the Minuteman PAC's expenditures through early September went to private companies -- several with ties to a labyrinth of Virginia-based tax-exempt charities and fundraising groups founded or headed by Mr. Keyes. The money was used for direct-mail fundraisers, telemarketing programs, advertising campaigns and disbursement fees for four candidates.

The Minuteman PAC spent nearly $88,000 through early September on its own operations, including fees to many of the Keyes-aligned private firms to collect and disburse donations and do direct-mail fundraising, the FEC records show. Other PAC money went to Web site construction, bank charges, salaries and advertising.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; gop; grudge; illegals; mcdc; minuteman; showmedamoney; simcox
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Seems like an entirely appropriate use of funds!
1 posted on 10/16/2006 2:50:32 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

^


2 posted on 10/16/2006 3:53:47 AM PDT by rdb3 (Just for that, go stand in the back of the line with the ugly people.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

This is not going to be a very popular thread.


3 posted on 10/16/2006 5:27:20 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

You reckon??? :-)


4 posted on 10/16/2006 5:35:22 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Ya wanna bump it up?


5 posted on 10/16/2006 5:55:32 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Bugger it. Why not...?


6 posted on 10/16/2006 5:59:28 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Ben Ficklin

YEP. BUMP AND BUMP.


7 posted on 10/16/2006 6:11:29 AM PDT by rep-always
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To: Aussie Dasher
Normally I wouldn't participate because I wouldn't want to be a "ringleader" in something that would agitate a lot of people.

However, if there were a number of others doing it, I would probably "pile on".

8 posted on 10/16/2006 6:11:29 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

I don't see a queue forming...


9 posted on 10/16/2006 6:12:42 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

While that is true, I can guaronteeee you that the freepmail amongst the "threadhandlers" is hot and heavy.


10 posted on 10/16/2006 6:17:56 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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11 posted on 10/16/2006 7:07:19 AM PDT by devolve (now_playing:__ REPORTING FOR BOOTY! --)
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To: onyx; BigSkyFreeper; Rex Anderson; Howlin; catholicfreeper

ping.


12 posted on 10/16/2006 8:05:34 AM PDT by PDR
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To: PDR; CWOJackson; Texasforever


Thanks for the ping. I have no problem with who they supported and perhaps are continuing to support, except for their support of Gilcrist over Bilbray, and at least they're trying to oust some democrats we despise.


13 posted on 10/16/2006 8:25:29 AM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: The Shrew; Nick Danger; Skeet; diotima; Bob J
Yes, boys and girls, it's time for another episode of "As the Worm Turns."

As our faithful viewers will recall, at the conclusion of our last exciting episode, Chris Nosocks, supreme leader of the Minuteman Financial Defense Corps (MFDC), had vowed once again to confess the juicy details of his torrid affair with the mysterious siren known only as "D.F." Will a skeleton emerge from the family closet in time for Halloween? Do we need a bigger closet? Are there any limits to what blonde ambition can achieve? Will our dogged investigative reporter find the skull of a small animal waiting on his mouse pad? And who is the dark figure at the center of our tangled web of intrigue? Stay tuned for the shocking season premiere of "As the Worm Turns," coming soon to a mailbox near you...

14 posted on 10/16/2006 11:38:50 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

Your post has as little meaningful substance as Seper's newest hitpiece. It's a shame, because you're really alot better than that.


15 posted on 10/16/2006 1:19:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created..." - Thomas Jefferson et al)
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To: EternalVigilance

Perhaps if I was being paid to advance a position, I'd put a bit more energy into it...


16 posted on 10/16/2006 1:49:51 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Here's something a bit more substantial than my previous metapost -- the sidebar from Seper's article that wasn't included in the online version at WashingtonTimes.com:


NO ANSWERS

The Washington Times has asked the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps (MCDC) on numerous occasions without success for information about how much money it has raised in donations and on what it has been spent.

October 2005: MCDC President Chris Simcox said during an interview in Arizona at the group's second border vigil that the number were being "crunched as we speak" and would be released soon.

December 2005: Mr. Simcox said he had hired "professionals" to audit the books and expected a financial report to be released "soon."

April 2006: At the MCDC's 30-day border vigil in Arizona, Mr. Simcox said he also was concerned about finances and would release a report on them "in the near future."

May 2006: MCDC officials declined to answer 19 written questions on MCDC finances.

June 2006: MCDC officials declined to respond to a follow-up list of seven questions concerning the finances.

August 2006: Mr. Sincox referred The Washington Times to a Texas firm hired to collect, deposit and disburse MCDC donations, saying it could "tell you everything" to clear up finance concerns. The company said it was not authorized to divulge any information.

October 2006: Mr. Simcox declined to answer questions on MCDC's involvement with the Declaration Alliance in the creation of a political action committee, calling a pending article "your next hit piece."


17 posted on 10/16/2006 2:04:07 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
Perhaps if I was being paid to advance a position, I'd put a bit more energy into it...

In other words, you're saying that I'm being paid to advance a position on FR.

Do you have some proof of that, or are you acting like someone who works for John Kerry or the Clintons?

For the record, I categorically deny that I have ever been paid by anyone to post on FR, or have EVER been instructed by anyone what to post.

Again, you're better than this, sir.

18 posted on 10/16/2006 2:09:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created..." - Thomas Jefferson et al)
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To: Interesting Times

If I was Simcox, I wouldn't answer Seper's questions, either. Why would you give any consideration to someone who has proven to be little more than a bagman for the open borders lobby, and who is likely to twist whatever you say against you?


19 posted on 10/16/2006 2:11:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created..." - Thomas Jefferson et al)
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To: EternalVigilance
In other words, you're saying that I'm being paid to advance a position on FR.

That seems rather carefully worded.

Have you ever been paid by any of the organizations named in the article?

20 posted on 10/16/2006 2:14:47 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: EternalVigilance
If I was Simcox, I wouldn't answer Seper's questions, either. Why would you give any consideration to someone who has proven to be little more than a bagman for the open borders lobby, and who is likely to twist whatever you say against you?

Your attempt to make Seper the focus fails to address the larger issue, which is the disposition of the funds contributed to the Minutemen. Sooner or later the truth will come out. My own guess, based purely on the behaviour of the participants, is that the money-spent-on-immigration to money-spent-on-processes-and-facilitators ratio will be difficult to see on a pie chart.

21 posted on 10/16/2006 2:25:20 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

Everyone here knows that I've worked with some of the organizations that you and Jerry Seper are trying to tear down.

But that doesn't translate into me being paid to post here, or having anyone ever tell me what to post.

So, have you ever posted here on a subject that affects someone with whom you were working to advance the conservative cause? Be truthful.


22 posted on 10/16/2006 2:32:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created..." - Thomas Jefferson et al)
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To: Interesting Times

If you're a donor to MCDC, and you're not happy with their efforts to bring the border problem to the forefront of the public's consciouness and the political agenda, ask for a refund.

Otherwise, it's hard for me to understand how it's any of your business.


23 posted on 10/16/2006 2:34:35 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created..." - Thomas Jefferson et al)
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To: EternalVigilance
Everyone here knows that I've worked with some of the organizations that you and Jerry Seper are trying to tear down.

I've read allegations to that effect on earlier Seper/DF/DA/DAPAC/MM/MCDC/RU/RM/Keyes/Lewis/Hair/Sheldon/Greene threads, but I hadn't seen you confirm it directly.

But that doesn't translate into me being paid to post here, or having anyone ever tell me what to post.

True. But your relationships to the entities involved can reasonably be assumed to influence your position. I wonder if you would express similiar views if an organization to which you lacked such attachments repeatedly promised to provide financial information and failed to do so.

So, have you ever posted here on a subject that affects someone with whom you were working to advance the conservative cause? Be truthful.

Sure. The best known occasion would be when I was running the web site for the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in 2004. My efforts to publicize their story here predated my being retained by the Swifties as a contractor by several months, but continued throughout the campaign. I did draw the line at posting the contribution link at FR or asking for donations.

The comparison ends there, however, as the financing of the Swift Vets is an open book.

One final point that may not have occurred to you: it's clearly in the best interest of the tangle of organizations with which you are associated that this story is seen by as few people as possible. This thread had attracted little attention when I made my first post. Yet here you are, drawn like a moth to a flame, provoking an argument that is guaranteed to help advertise the story by bumping the thread back to the top. It may even bring in other freepers who know far more than I do about the skeletons I mentioned earlier.

It's therefore difficult for me to see how your actions are advancing the interests of your various employers.

24 posted on 10/16/2006 2:50:42 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Otherwise, it's hard for me to understand how it's any of your business.

Well, that's something you'll have to work out on your own.

25 posted on 10/16/2006 2:57:53 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
It's therefore difficult for me to see how your actions are advancing the interests of your various employers.

As has become your wont, you totally misunderstand my motivation, and display your ignorance of my affairs.

I was simply responding to what I perceived as an injustice you were perpetrating on people who are simply trying to forward the conservative movement and agenda. No more, no less.

If someone would have told me a few years ago that you would be capable of this, I would have told them "no way."

26 posted on 10/16/2006 3:07:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created..." - Thomas Jefferson et al)
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To: Interesting Times
Well, that's something you'll have to work out on your own.

I couldn't care less. Your actions speak plenty loudly without knowing the why.

27 posted on 10/16/2006 3:09:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created..." - Thomas Jefferson et al)
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To: Aussie Dasher

bump


28 posted on 10/16/2006 3:59:32 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: EternalVigilance
I couldn't care less. Your actions speak plenty loudly without knowing the why.

Yes, I understand completely. This is really about me. Or Jerry Seper. Or people who don't understand the threat of unchecked illegal immigration.

The one thing it absolutely, unquestionably isn't about is what happened to all the money donated to the Minutemen.

29 posted on 10/16/2006 5:17:18 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: EternalVigilance

"If you're a donor to MCDC, and you're not happy with their efforts to bring the border problem to the forefront of the public's consciouness and the political agenda, ask for a refund.

Otherwise, it's hard for me to understand how it's any of your business."

WELL SAID!


30 posted on 10/16/2006 5:39:34 PM PDT by Blue Collar Republican
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To: Blue Collar Republican

I gather that E.V. is on break, and this is the junior varsity?


31 posted on 10/16/2006 5:43:30 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

Nope, I support the cause. I can't support MMP due to certain members of the board of directors (see: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=285956&mpage=1&showdate=9/2/06 ). MCDC may be a money making business, but they get the job done. What are you doing to help? Are you just sitting on your brains and complaining? If so, your opinion doesn't matter.


32 posted on 10/16/2006 5:54:38 PM PDT by Blue Collar Republican
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To: onyx

"Thanks for the ping. I have no problem with who they supported and perhaps are continuing to support, except for their support of Gilcrist over Bilbray, and at least they're trying to oust some democrats we despise."

It was John Campbell, not Bilbray.


33 posted on 10/16/2006 6:11:12 PM PDT by Blue Collar Republican
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To: Interesting Times
I gather that E.V. is on break, and this is the junior varsity?

I'm working to elect conservatives. Sorry if I can't be here to answer your attacks every minute.

34 posted on 10/16/2006 6:49:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created..." - Thomas Jefferson et al)
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To: Blue Collar Republican

Thanks.


35 posted on 10/16/2006 6:50:15 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created..." - Thomas Jefferson et al)
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To: Interesting Times
The one thing it absolutely, unquestionably isn't about is what happened to all the money donated to the Minutemen.

Are you a donor, IT?

36 posted on 10/16/2006 6:51:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created..." - Thomas Jefferson et al)
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To: Interesting Times

Do you know where we can get a copy of this report?


37 posted on 10/16/2006 7:06:45 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Are you a donor, IT?

Sorry, I'm not going to play that game.

This a major article on the front page of one of the top conservative newspapers in the country. It strongly suggests that a web of interrelated nonprofits is leeching virtually all of the money out of a donation pipeline intended to do something about the illegal alien problem.

As luck would have it, I'm acquainted with a number of the players. Also, when the gravy train becomes the end instead of the means, it makes those of us in the conservative movement who aren't part of the problem look bad.

Therefore, your impressive collection of red herrings won't prevent me from commenting on the matter.

38 posted on 10/16/2006 7:12:02 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
As far as I can tell, out of 240k, 144k was spent on direct mail (soliciting more donations), telemarketing (soliciting more donations), advertising (soliciting more donations), 88k on Keyes organization salaries and administrative overhead, you know, to make sure all those donations were handled properly, and 5k directly sent to and divided between eight candidates.

Looks normal, although I do hope those candidates don't choke on their $625.+
39 posted on 10/16/2006 7:14:14 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Interesting Times

Looks like Blue Collar signed up just in time for the report.


40 posted on 10/16/2006 7:17:46 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Blue Collar Republican
MCDC may be a money making business, but they get the job done.

Be so good as to provide a concrete example.

What are you doing to help? Are you just sitting on your brains and complaining?

Not at all. In fact, I'm working at this very moment to help restore credibility to the conservative nonprofit world by exposing those who feed parasitically on donors while giving little or nothing to the cause.

If so, your opinion doesn't matter.

All you can say with any honesty is that my opinion doesn't matter to you. To which the obvious response is, so what?

This is an opinion board. You can agree with my take on this or not, but you can't shut me up.

41 posted on 10/16/2006 7:17:58 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
Not at all. In fact, I'm working at this very moment to help restore credibility to the conservative nonprofit world by exposing those who feed parasitically on donors while giving little or nothing to the cause.

Oh puhleeze.

Are you starting at the White House and working your way down to K Street? After you're done there, swing by the RNC...

42 posted on 10/16/2006 7:23:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created..." - Thomas Jefferson et al)
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To: EternalVigilance

According to your rationale, if one didn't deposit directly into a bank robbed by Bonnie and Clyde, that precludes one from holding an opinion on their crime spree much less expressing it.



43 posted on 10/16/2006 7:25:10 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J

If that's right, then the PAC distributed just a smidgen over 2% of the funds it received, giving the gravy train a 50-1 ratio over the benefit provided.


44 posted on 10/16/2006 7:25:44 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Are you starting at the White House and working your way down to K Street? After you're done there, swing by the RNC...

Red Herring #23: "They All Do It..."

45 posted on 10/16/2006 7:28:24 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...
The above article and discussion is somewhat off-topic for this ping list, but I think it's important.

Apologies, as they say, in advance...

46 posted on 10/16/2006 7:30:13 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: EternalVigilance
"Are you starting at the White House and working your way down to K Street? After you're done there, swing by the RNC..."

Soooo, you're saying financial irregularities" are A-O-K as long as others are doing it as well?

You might want to check with Jesus on that one...

47 posted on 10/16/2006 7:31:32 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Interesting Times

"The Washington Times has asked the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps (MCDC) on numerous occasions without success for information about how much money it has raised in donations and on what it has been spent."

Their last deadline to report to the IRS is November 15, yes?


48 posted on 10/16/2006 7:37:10 PM PDT by decal (Building a wall on the border is like treating lung cancer with cough syrup.)
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To: Interesting Times
The rest of the story...

"... Unanswered questions

The committee claims to be a "membership-only" organization, reporting to the FEC through its sponsor, Declaration Alliance, a tax-exempt Virginia-based charity founded by Mr. Keyes. It calls itself the "political counterpart" to MCDC, and the vast majority of those who contributed money listed themselves as "retired."

MCDC is a "project" of the Declaration Alliance, according to its Web page, and donations to it -- the amount of which has never been disclosed publicly or to its own membership -- are routed through the tax-exempt charity.

Few MCDC volunteers know what the Declaration Alliance does or why Minuteman donations are collected by it. Several have questioned the wisdom of ceding control over fundraising to the organization, and others have raised concerns about what happened to hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of dollars in donations collected by MCDC.

Although Mr. Simcox estimated during a July interview that MCDC had collected $1.6 million at that time in donations, his numbers could not be independently verified. The MCDC has not made any financial statements or fundraising records public since its April 2005 creation. It also has not given the Minuteman leadership, its volunteers or donors any official accounting.

Queried about the Minuteman PAC, Mr. Simcox declined to respond to written questions concerning the organization or its involvement with Declaration Alliance. Instead, he challenged The Washington Times' understanding of political action committees."

I'm surprised he didn't respond to the Times with "If you didn't donate to the MCDF or our PAC, you have no right to ask questions or write articles about our activities".
49 posted on 10/16/2006 7:43:00 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: decal
Their last deadline to report to the IRS is November 15, yes?

I'm not sure. There are many "theys," ranging from this PAC to 501(c)(3) educational orgs to 501(c)(4) political nonprofits to for-profit businesses.

It's a good question, and probably merits some investigation.

50 posted on 10/16/2006 7:45:28 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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