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James Webb Writes About Incest and Pedophilia
Right Wing News ^ | 10/15/2006 | John Hawkins

Posted on 10/17/2006 9:01:21 AM PDT by ReagansRaiders

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To: Rembrandt_fan

Dear Rembrandt_fan,

"Vote against Webb because he betrayed the trust of Reagan Administration, vote against Webb because he is an opportunist who switched parties and hitched his wagon to the antiwar Left, vote against Webb because he has overseen one of the dirtiest campaigns in political memory,..."

How about, "Vote against Webb because he's a pornographer"?

Reading what was at the link, it came across to me like pornography than trying to exemplify the nature of one of the book's characters.


sitetest


41 posted on 10/17/2006 11:19:28 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

This sounds as if Jim Webb was angling for the all-important NAMBLA endorsement.


42 posted on 10/17/2006 11:27:40 AM PDT by ReagansRaiders (Unofficial George Allen for President online store -- www.cafepress.com/georgeallen2008)
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To: ReagansRaiders

There are some really ill people in this world.


43 posted on 10/17/2006 11:34:11 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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Later pingout.


44 posted on 10/17/2006 11:41:17 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: wagglebee

Sometimes the law see more crime in a picture than in an act.

While many communities have an age of consent to sexual acts under 18, you'd better not consider taking pictures of your partner or the act even if you AND you partner are both under 18.


45 posted on 10/17/2006 11:43:41 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: sandbar
Scooter's has a scene where a bear savagely rapes an underage girl.

Mrs. Cheney's is nothing but lesbian smut.
46 posted on 10/17/2006 11:54:20 AM PDT by Prodn2000
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To: Rembrandt_fan

>>>You wrote, "...you are unimaginative as well."

That would be some surprise to the folks who buy and read my fiction and to the clients who employ my commercial art talent and graphic design expertise. That is how I make my living. And it's a very good living, thanks.>>>

Wow, it seems you reserve that imagination to those talents because it certainly isn't showing up here.


47 posted on 10/17/2006 12:21:56 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: Prodn2000

>>>Scooter's has a scene where a bear savagely rapes an underage girl. >>>

What the...??? A bear rapes an underage girl? Who even dreams up this?


48 posted on 10/17/2006 12:22:52 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: sandbar

DC people, I guess.


49 posted on 10/17/2006 12:28:16 PM PDT by Prodn2000
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To: Rembrandt_fan
I can understand all kinds of reasons for including all kinds of things in a book. I was asking if you read this book and if there was any reason.

BTW writing about the rules of ettiquette in a whore house might be fascinating, enlightening, entertaining and socially revealing. But voters might also decide the author isn't the one they want as a senator.

50 posted on 10/17/2006 12:41:44 PM PDT by Williams
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To: sandbar
Quit with the personal attacks against me and address the argument. In case you've forgotten, I argue that Webb's fiction should not be used as ammunition against him in a political campaign.

There is the exception, of course, should his books be a thinly veiled vehicles intended to advance his political or philosophical views--the authors Ayn Rand and Sinclair Lewis spring immediately to mind--but Webb has a reputation as a serious writer of serious fiction, based largely on his novel, 'Fields of Fire'. He isn't known as a pornographer or--based on any evidence I know of--as a proponent of child molestation.

A writer describing a horrific act or presenting characters who do terrible things does not mean that writer champions those acts or ascribes to the views of the characters he or she creates. Attacking a writer's character on the basis of such scenes, however repugnant those scenes might be to a given reader, or--for that matter-- however badly written, does a disservice to the author, however much one may disagree with his political viewpoint. Go after Webb on the basis of his words and actions as a public and political person, not on the basis of the fiction he writes.

That's the argument I'm making. If you think you can refute it, by all means try.
51 posted on 10/17/2006 1:25:08 PM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Rembrandt_fan

You are correct.


52 posted on 10/17/2006 1:36:21 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: wagglebee

Pretty amazing what passes for literature [sic] these days. And people act as though one can feed one's mind with any filth and the mind won't be affected. As though you could eat rat poison or live on total junk food and still be physically healthy.


53 posted on 10/17/2006 3:54:00 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: ReagansRaiders

Good grief. James H. Webb, Jr. is absolutely freakin' nuts.

I'm wondering if he didn't go to a seminar for blue romance writers where they tell writer wannabees the formula for inserting sex at strategic places throughout the book.

If his target audience is males one has to wonder what's up with that pedophile stuff.


54 posted on 10/17/2006 5:51:49 PM PDT by Flora McDonald (got teufelhunden?)
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To: ReagansRaiders

I loved him on Dragnet.


55 posted on 10/17/2006 5:52:28 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Rembrandt_fan

The Hunt for Red October, Clancy's first novel, actually actually great fiction, for the genre anyway. In his next book, he basically blew up the world (Red Storm Rising). I read a couple of snatches of later works.

In the later stuff, he sort of repeats the formula that made Hunt for Red October such a great read. I guess it works. But he lost me when he blew up the world...or rather...didn't. The USSR and USA go to war, exchange a couple of nuclear weapons, but the whole thing falls apart because a major gets hit by a car? WTF?

Anyway, Red October was a different beast than what came later.


56 posted on 10/17/2006 6:14:14 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (The Crown is amused.)
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To: Rembrandt_fan

I read the passage. It's disturbing, but I'll tell you what I think Webb was trying to do: he was painting a scene of a corner of someplace - sounded like Southeast Asia - that has gone over the brink and is reduced to hell and craziness.
That was the sense I got from it.
The act was foul, but seemed normal to the characters doing it.
The observer was shocked, and what happened was clearly on his mind and disturbing him.
But everyone around him was just focusing on the mission.

Webb was painting a background where absolutely everything is baleful, but routine to everyone in it. A place reduced to Hell.

From what I read, he wasn't condoning it. It was supposed to be shocking and nasty. You, the reader, were supposed to be horrified. But the characters themselves weren't horrified, because they were all burnt out from living in hell. The one character-observer was disturbed by it, just like you, the reader, is supposed to be.

That's what I got out of it, and what I think Webb was trying to do.
And actually, I think he did it quite effectively. He painted a picture of a creepy and collapsed place.

He does something similar in a line in "A Sense of Honor", in which he discusses how a physics teacher at Annapolis makes refraction make sense to the Midshipmen. It's effective writing, because I still remember the particular line 24 years after having read the book, and I only read it once.

Webb's a good writer, but his writing does reveal his temperament. A Sense of Honor reveals his temperament. When he was the Secretary of the Navy, the way he behaved, and the way he resigned, resembled very much his hotheaded character in A Sense of Honor.


57 posted on 10/17/2006 6:26:57 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (The Crown is amused.)
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To: sitetest
"Vote against Webb because he betrayed the trust of Reagan Administration, vote against Webb because he is an opportunist who switched parties and hitched his wagon to the antiwar Left, vote against Webb because he has overseen one of the dirtiest campaigns in political memory,..."

Or vote against Webb because he BELIEVES in abortion and is on his 4th wife.

58 posted on 10/18/2006 3:36:44 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Rembrandt_fan

Went to your web site. Never heard of you.


59 posted on 10/18/2006 7:34:29 AM PDT by ReagansRaiders (Unofficial George Allen for President online store -- www.cafepress.com/georgeallen2008)
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To: ReagansRaiders

Never said I was famous. Am I supposed to be insulted? Try harder.


60 posted on 10/18/2006 9:45:26 AM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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