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Is God dead? Atheism finds a market in U.S
Reuters ^ | 10/18/06 | Michael Conlon

Posted on 10/18/2006 5:25:05 PM PDT by wagglebee

CHICAGO (Reuters) - A fresh wave of atheistic books has hit the market this autumn, some climbing onto best-seller lists in what proponents see as a backlash against the way religion is entwined in politics.

"Religion is fragmenting the human community," said Sam Harris, author of "Letter to a Christian Nation," No. 11 on the New York Times nonfiction list on October 15.

There is a "huge visibility and political empowerment of religion. President George W. Bush uses his first veto to deny funding for stem cell research and scientists everywhere are horrified," he said in an interview.

Religious polarization is part of many world conflicts, he said, including those involving Israel and Iran, "but it's never discussed. I consider it the story of our time, what religion is doing to us. But there are very few people calling a spade a spade."

His "Letter," a blunt 96-page pocket-sized book condensing arguments against belief in quick-fire volleys, appeared on the Times list just ahead of "The God Delusion," by Richard Dawkins, a scientist at Oxford University and long-time atheist.

In addition, Harris' "The End of Faith," a 2004 work which prompted his "Letter" as a response to critics, is holding the No. 13 Times spot among nonfiction paperbacks.

Publishers Weekly said the business has seen "a striking number of impassioned critiques of religion -- any religion, but Christianity in particular," a probably inevitable development given "the super-soaking of American politics and culture with religion in recent years."

Paul Kurtz, founder of the Council for Secular Humanism and publisher of Free Inquiry magazine, said, "The American public is really disturbed about the role of religion in U.S. government policy, particularly with the Bush administration and the breakdown of church-state separation, and secondly with the conflict in the Mideast."

They are turning to free thought and secular humanism and publishers have recognized a taste for that, he added.

"I've published 45 books, many critical of religion," Kurtz said. "I think in America we have this notion of tolerance ... it was considered bad taste to criticize religion. But I think now there are profound questions about age-old hatreds."

The Rev. James Halstead, chairman of the Department of Religious Studies at Chicago's DePaul University, says the phenomenon is really "a ripple caused by the book publishing industry."

"These books cause no new thought or moral commitment. The arguments are centuries old," he told Reuters. Some believers, he added, "are no better. Their conception of God, the Divine-Human-World relationship are much too simplistic and materialistic."

Too often, he said, the concept "God" is misused "to legitimate the self and to beat up other people ... to rehash that same old theistic and atheistic arguments is a waste of time, energy and paper."

Dr. Timothy Larsen, professor of theology at Wheaton College in Illinois, says any growth in interest in atheism is a reflection of the strength of religion -- the former being a parasite that feeds off the latter.

That happened late in the 19th century America when an era of intense religious conviction gave rise to voices like famed agnostic Robert Ingersoll, he said.

For Christianity, he said, "It's very important for people of faith to realize how unsettling and threatening their posture and rhetoric and practice can feel to others. So it's an opportunity for the church to look at itself and say 'we have done things ... that make other people uncomfortable.' It is an opportunity for dialogue."

Larsen, author of the soon-to-be-published "Crisis of Doubt," added that in some sense atheism is "a disappointment with God and with the church. Some of these are people we wounded that we should be handling pastorally rather than with aggressive knockdown debate."

These are also probably some of the same people Harris says he's hearing from after his two books.

"Many, many readers feel utterly isolated in their communities," he said. "They are surrounded by cult members, from their point of view, and are unable to disclose their feelings."

"I get a lot of e-mail just expressing incredible relief that they are not alone ... relieved that I'm writing something that couldn't be said," Harris added.


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To: headstamp
".......and the breakdown of church-state separation......." OK, my BS meter just went off.

Oh, my BS meter went off well before that. He couldn't even get to the second sentence without lying:

"President George W. Bush uses his first veto to deny funding for stem cell research..." he said in an interview.

There is plenty of stem cell research going on. By the way, Bush is the first President to provide ANY money for stem cell research. The federal government is supporting research with adult stem cells, cord blood stem cells and existing fetal lines of cells. The adult cells have resulted in dozens of successful therapeutic applications. The fetal cells have caused tumors.

121 posted on 10/19/2006 6:11:57 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (BS detector on line.)
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To: Junior

Wrong. Collection plate is not a "trapping" but an unchangeable essence. You are purposefully confusing an ideology and a religion. And although these always have reciprocal claims on each other's turfs, they are different: one exists to be behaved, but not necessarily to be believed in, while another exists to be believed in, but not necessarily behaved. Indeed, sincere adherents to the "wrong" side - an ideological believer, or a religious behaver, [aka "saint"] are royal pains and embarrassments in the real life, and this further confuses.


122 posted on 10/19/2006 6:12:19 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Junior; metmom
 I mean, he isn't really going to die...
 
 
Junner... Junner!  <sigh>
 
Repeating THIS old message??
 
Genesis 3:1
  Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, `You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
 
You KNOW what the Book says, so you must have inside knowledge about stuff that the rest of us are not privy to:
 
NIV Matthew 27:50
   And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
 

NIV Mark 15:37
   With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
 
 
NIV Luke 23:46
   Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.
 
 
NIV John 19:30-37
 30.  When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
 31.  Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
 32.  The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.
 33.  But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
 34.  Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
 35.  The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
 36.  These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not one of his bones will be broken,"
 37.  and, as another scripture says, "They will look on the one they have pierced."
 
Help us out a bit; can you?
 
 
 
 
 
 

123 posted on 10/19/2006 6:12:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: js1138
 

 
So according to you God and Jesus Christ are both liars, and Jesus never really died at all.

Your question makes no sense, unless Jesus is not God.

Uh... that wasn't a question.

124 posted on 10/19/2006 6:15:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: wagglebee

Is it 1960 again?


125 posted on 10/19/2006 6:17:15 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: mc6809e

Another argument in favor of broader exposure to language arts.


126 posted on 10/19/2006 6:18:45 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (BS detector on line.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

The left hopes it is.


127 posted on 10/19/2006 6:19:31 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

No kidding.

What a load of manure. I actually couldn't read the whole article.


128 posted on 10/19/2006 6:21:09 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

I'm not sure anybody did.


129 posted on 10/19/2006 6:22:09 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: GSlob
But the atheists do not.

Ah... but they DO!

Their's is in their pocket, so the money never goes very far from their control.

130 posted on 10/19/2006 6:22:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Personal opinion: MOST of the professed Christians have been marginal, or non believers. Probably throughout history. Sheer fear of condemnation, peer pressure and perhaps the belief that religious morality is good for society even if based on nothing other than delusion have led them to supporting churches, attending, professing. With the greater acceptance of alternatives to mainstream Judeo/Christian practice - atheism, Wicca, and othe occult - we are seeing in an overt form what has probably existed since shortly after Peter preached, or at least since the time of Constantine.

One of the most rock-ribbed, upright, 'moral' staunch conservatives I know does NOT believe, but he strongly supports his church, the Republican candidates nationally and in his area and to ALL external appearances is the very model of what a good conservative Republican should be. Because, being an entrepreneur he worships only what WORKS, and the Judeo-Christian, capitalist American style constitutional republic is the most productive and effective system of economic and political liberty creation and preservation ever known (paraphrasing him)
131 posted on 10/19/2006 6:22:14 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: Junior
(Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)

(Losing faith in JESUS one Person at a time.)


132 posted on 10/19/2006 6:23:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Junior
Well, pretty soon this forum is going to be nothing but a one-note amen corner instead of the free-wheeling political discussion site it used to be.

Boo hoo!

(Reminds me of a punch line....

"There's TWO of them!"

133 posted on 10/19/2006 6:24:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Well, thanks for the ping, I guess. I don't really see the point of books on atheism, so I don't bother with them.


134 posted on 10/19/2006 6:24:15 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: Junior
There is no appeal to the supernatural at all.

Sure there is!

"Leave me alone!"

135 posted on 10/19/2006 6:25:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: hripka

(You got teenagers yet?? ;^)

136 posted on 10/19/2006 6:27:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Actually quite interesting passages, particularly the first two, when read in context.

Indeed. Any rational Jew who seeks an reason behind the sufferings of the Jewish people need look no further than the prophets of his own people.
137 posted on 10/19/2006 6:30:40 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: wagglebee
All Christians must accept many things on faith that "do not make sense":
- The Trinity.

 
(There is at LEAST a 'binary'!)
 

NIV Genesis 1:26
   Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
 

NIV Genesis 3:22
   And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
 
 

138 posted on 10/19/2006 6:30:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
One more...........
 
NIV John 6:24-29
 24.  Once the crowd realized that neither Jesus nor his disciples were there, they got into the boats and went to Capernaum in search of Jesus.
 25.  When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, "Rabbi, when did you get here?"
 26.  Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, you are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs but because you ate the loaves and had your fill.
 27.  Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."
 28.  Then they asked him,
"What must we do to do the works God requires?"
 29.  Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

139 posted on 10/19/2006 6:32:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

A major component of modern atheism is the unwillingness to admit that certain things are sinful, and not just sinful "for some" (as they love to opine), but sinful for everyone.


140 posted on 10/19/2006 6:33:12 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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