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Is God dead? Atheism finds a market in U.S
Reuters ^ | 10/18/06 | Michael Conlon

Posted on 10/18/2006 5:25:05 PM PDT by wagglebee

CHICAGO (Reuters) - A fresh wave of atheistic books has hit the market this autumn, some climbing onto best-seller lists in what proponents see as a backlash against the way religion is entwined in politics.

"Religion is fragmenting the human community," said Sam Harris, author of "Letter to a Christian Nation," No. 11 on the New York Times nonfiction list on October 15.

There is a "huge visibility and political empowerment of religion. President George W. Bush uses his first veto to deny funding for stem cell research and scientists everywhere are horrified," he said in an interview.

Religious polarization is part of many world conflicts, he said, including those involving Israel and Iran, "but it's never discussed. I consider it the story of our time, what religion is doing to us. But there are very few people calling a spade a spade."

His "Letter," a blunt 96-page pocket-sized book condensing arguments against belief in quick-fire volleys, appeared on the Times list just ahead of "The God Delusion," by Richard Dawkins, a scientist at Oxford University and long-time atheist.

In addition, Harris' "The End of Faith," a 2004 work which prompted his "Letter" as a response to critics, is holding the No. 13 Times spot among nonfiction paperbacks.

Publishers Weekly said the business has seen "a striking number of impassioned critiques of religion -- any religion, but Christianity in particular," a probably inevitable development given "the super-soaking of American politics and culture with religion in recent years."

Paul Kurtz, founder of the Council for Secular Humanism and publisher of Free Inquiry magazine, said, "The American public is really disturbed about the role of religion in U.S. government policy, particularly with the Bush administration and the breakdown of church-state separation, and secondly with the conflict in the Mideast."

They are turning to free thought and secular humanism and publishers have recognized a taste for that, he added.

"I've published 45 books, many critical of religion," Kurtz said. "I think in America we have this notion of tolerance ... it was considered bad taste to criticize religion. But I think now there are profound questions about age-old hatreds."

The Rev. James Halstead, chairman of the Department of Religious Studies at Chicago's DePaul University, says the phenomenon is really "a ripple caused by the book publishing industry."

"These books cause no new thought or moral commitment. The arguments are centuries old," he told Reuters. Some believers, he added, "are no better. Their conception of God, the Divine-Human-World relationship are much too simplistic and materialistic."

Too often, he said, the concept "God" is misused "to legitimate the self and to beat up other people ... to rehash that same old theistic and atheistic arguments is a waste of time, energy and paper."

Dr. Timothy Larsen, professor of theology at Wheaton College in Illinois, says any growth in interest in atheism is a reflection of the strength of religion -- the former being a parasite that feeds off the latter.

That happened late in the 19th century America when an era of intense religious conviction gave rise to voices like famed agnostic Robert Ingersoll, he said.

For Christianity, he said, "It's very important for people of faith to realize how unsettling and threatening their posture and rhetoric and practice can feel to others. So it's an opportunity for the church to look at itself and say 'we have done things ... that make other people uncomfortable.' It is an opportunity for dialogue."

Larsen, author of the soon-to-be-published "Crisis of Doubt," added that in some sense atheism is "a disappointment with God and with the church. Some of these are people we wounded that we should be handling pastorally rather than with aggressive knockdown debate."

These are also probably some of the same people Harris says he's hearing from after his two books.

"Many, many readers feel utterly isolated in their communities," he said. "They are surrounded by cult members, from their point of view, and are unable to disclose their feelings."

"I get a lot of e-mail just expressing incredible relief that they are not alone ... relieved that I'm writing something that couldn't be said," Harris added.


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To: wagglebee

'Religion is fragmenting the human community' said Sam Harris....

So is politics. Lets get rid of all of that too.

The human community is fragmented over socialism and communism - let's get rid of all you socialists and communists and your oppressive governments.

Hey, abortion is divisive and fragmenting the human community (and killing a part of it as well). Let's get rid of that altogether - something I'd love to see happen, BTW.

Pig headed, ignorant, condesceding, one-worlder, Gap-shopping Lexus driving elitists.


61 posted on 10/18/2006 8:03:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: the invisib1e hand
Reuters, we all know who you speak for.

I think you mean:

Reuters, we all know for whom you speak.

jas3
62 posted on 10/18/2006 8:12:30 PM PDT by jas3
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To: wagglebee

Recommended reading on the topic:

The Twilight of Atheism: The Rise and Fall of Disbelief in the Modern World
by Alister Mcgrath

http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Atheism-Disbelief-Modern-World/dp/0385500610/sr=8-1/qid=1161227434/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1135010-7095115?ie=UTF8&s=books


63 posted on 10/18/2006 8:12:40 PM PDT by VOA
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To: wagglebee

Is God Dead?

Well just ask Maddy O'Hare. Oh wait, she's dead.... hmmm.... Next question.


64 posted on 10/18/2006 8:15:41 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: js1138
"So according to you God and Jesus Christ are both liars, and Jesus never really died at all."

Your question makes no sense, unless Jesus is not God.

Sorry. What question are you talking about?

And how does anything I posted imply Jesus is not God?

65 posted on 10/18/2006 8:16:24 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: wagglebee
A fresh wave of atheistic books has hit the market this autumn, some climbing onto best-seller lists in what proponents see as a backlash against the way religion is entwined in politics.

With 300,000,000 Americans now in this country, how difficult can it be to have a book reach the best-seller list? You don't need to sell all that many to get on that list.

66 posted on 10/18/2006 8:19:47 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Jorge

Res ipsa loquitur


67 posted on 10/18/2006 8:19:55 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: wagglebee
and you seem to be allied with one another against our Judeo-Christian culture.

In fairness to Sam Harris (and as much as I disagree with him),
the times I've heard him on TV/radio, he's consistently a materialist.
He just thinks belief (in anything other than just matter) is
invalid and dangerous.
I've heard him speaking just as disdainfully of Islam as Christianity
and other religions/faiths.

(Well, except for his evangelical belief in pure materialism!)
68 posted on 10/18/2006 8:20:33 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Revolting cat!
I'm familiar with Dawson - I read "River Out of Eden".

I reject the term "atheists" as it is applied to these folks. These people are secular humanists, not atheists.

Dawson and the like expend a great deal of hot air in their fervent desire to dispel the existence of a being that does not exist - according to them.

Now how stupid is that?? I know a few real "atheists" who do not believe in God, and while they might be curious, or interested, or amused by my faith they do nothing to undermine it.

On the other hand, it seems like there is a tremendous profit to be made "proving the nonexistence of a nonexistent being".
69 posted on 10/18/2006 8:22:19 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("If there were no God, there would be no atheists." - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: js1138

I can understand why you would not want to be understood.


70 posted on 10/18/2006 8:22:55 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: wagglebee
Religious polarization is part of many world conflicts, he said, including those involving Israel and Iran, "but it's never discussed. I consider it the story of our time, what religion is doing to us. But there are very few people calling a spade a spade."

Religion is an ideology, a concept, a vehicle, a way of understanding our place in the world God created. Religion does not do anything to anyone. It is people who commit acts against people (sometimes in the name of religion), not Religion. Now, that is calling a spade a spade.

71 posted on 10/18/2006 8:23:36 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Junior
"During the Second World War, in the Niepokalanów friary, Kolbe provided shelter to refugees from Greater Poland, including 2,000 Jews. He was also active as a radio amateur, with Polish call letters SP3RN, vilifying Nazi activities through his reports. On February 17, 1941, he was arrested by the German Gestapo and imprisoned in the Pawiak prison, and, on May 25, was transferred to Auschwitz I as prisoner #16670.

In July 1941, a man from Kolbe's bunker had vanished, prompting Karl Fritzsch, the Lagerführer, to pick 10 men from the same bunker to be starved to death in the notorious torture block, Block 11, in order to deter further escape attempts. (The man who had disappeared was later found drowned in the camp latrine.) One of the selected men, Franciszek Gajowniczek, cried out, lamenting his family, and Kolbe volunteered to take his place.

After two weeks of starvation, only four of the ten men were still alive, including Kolbe. The cells were needed, and Kolbe and the other three were executed with an injection of carbolic acid in the left arm."

Yup. This guy really was gunning to be in charge of things.
Maximilian Kolbe

Go back to trolling prayer threads with some of your buddies.

72 posted on 10/18/2006 8:30:19 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Semi Civil Servant
Hope that advances the argument for you.

Thanks for the reply. I hadn't thought of the other meaning of sacrifice for this, although I've read that usage througout the Bible. I'll read up on that angle some more. OTOH, my initial thought is that would be God sacrificing to himself, still not much to be a cornerstone of the most important world religion.

73 posted on 10/18/2006 8:35:56 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: wagglebee

See Below.


74 posted on 10/18/2006 8:40:14 PM PDT by Mike Darancette ( Europe will either become Christian again or become Muslim. Not the "culture of nothing".)
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To: wagglebee

See Below.


75 posted on 10/18/2006 8:40:17 PM PDT by Mike Darancette ( Europe will either become Christian again or become Muslim. Not the "culture of nothing".)
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To: pcottraux
Now that he is temporarily existing in the form of a human male, God is subject to the extreme agony of crucifixion.

I've heard that one before and haven't bought it. The fact remains that he is still, for that entire time, an all-powerful divine being, even if he is in human form. The amount of suffering that God could easily endure surely must be much less than, say, a person voluntarily subjecting himself to getting a tattoo.

76 posted on 10/18/2006 8:42:24 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Jorge
I don't know how you could describe being crucified as "slightly unpleasant".

Compare. You must be like a god to a large water bug. You decide to undergo what would be a cruel death for one of them, say a quick spray from a can of Raid. It isn't much to you, is it?

and offering himself to die in the electric chair so you could go free?

So he could get back up a couple of days later and go home? It sounds like a rather empty gesture.

77 posted on 10/18/2006 8:47:00 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

But if He's omnipotent, He can choose to endure that amount of suffering if He chooses. Being omnipotent means He's capable of doing anything, right? It's completely voluntary on His part. And who said He "easily" endured it? He is all-powerful and divine. But at that very time, He Himself admitted that if He chose, He could just say the word and the angels from heaven would come down and slaughter His captors. But He chose not to. He could have chosen to end His suffering at any time. But He did not.


78 posted on 10/18/2006 8:56:36 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: mdmathis6
It is simplistic to argue that the Bible explicitly commends or permits slavery.

I didn't say commend, I said condone. The Bible regulated slavery, which means it allowed slavery to exist and orders that slaves to be obedient. It never condemned slavery as modern society does.

79 posted on 10/18/2006 9:04:10 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: pcottraux

Pain is not the same thing as suffering.

Suffering is pain plus fear and not being in control.


80 posted on 10/18/2006 9:05:23 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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