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1 posted on 10/18/2006 11:37:21 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

It should be reconsidered.


2 posted on 10/18/2006 11:40:37 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Dallas59

"An Orion mission to Mars was seriously considered. Due to the obvious problems which launching such a mission from the ground, it was decided that an upgraded Saturn V booster would be used to lift it into low earth orbit, but this constrained the diameter of the ship to around 10 meters. Additonal thrust at lift off would have been provided by 4 strap-on boosters, each one with its own F1 engine.

Two launches would be needed to assemble the ship. The travel time to Mars would only have been around 125 days, much quicker than with rockets such as Nerva which would have taken approximately 2 years. During the unpowered 'cruise' portion of the flight, the whole vehicle would have been spun 'end over end' to provide the crew with artificial gravity.

A crew of 6 or 8 would have made the trip, and the ship would have carried a 'Mars Excursion Vehicle' derived from lifting body research to carry the expedition to the surface and back."


3 posted on 10/18/2006 11:40:50 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: Dallas59
Link To Orion Documents
4 posted on 10/18/2006 11:42:57 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: Dallas59
Plenty more info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29

and here:

http://www.astronautix.com/lvfam/orion.htm

8 posted on 10/18/2006 11:50:24 PM PDT by brightstar
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To: Dallas59

I have known that this was proposed for a long time now, and I have always had trouble picturing how it would be effective. A nuclear blast in a vacuum would not be pushing the atmosphere or debris. It would just be the mass of the bomb itself pushing against the shield, which doesn't seem like that much. Or is this some effect like photons pushing a mass?


9 posted on 10/19/2006 12:29:13 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Dallas59

Very cool stuff! :)

BTW, there was also a similar, (albeit far more ambitious) space project known as Daedalus. That one planned to use fusion reactions to propel the first interstellar probe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus



11 posted on 10/19/2006 12:41:57 AM PDT by DemforBush
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To: Dallas59
Tech historian George Dyson collected these papers, and he is the author of "Project Orion," a book which chronicles the project and the lives of the scientists behind it -- including his own father, Freeman Dyson.

I read an autobiographical book by Freeman Dyson where he discussed Project Orion. They did some initial tests with normal explosives. IIRC he ultimately came to feel that it was a terrible idea have a vehicle that spread radioactive "pollution" as it travelled, even though this would be in space.

I once had the good fortune to meet Freeman Dyson.

13 posted on 10/19/2006 1:02:41 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Dallas59
Seems like it would be a bumpy ride.

Insert your own Kim Jong Il joke here...

18 posted on 10/19/2006 1:36:00 AM PDT by Hexenhammer
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To: Dallas59
Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick briefly considered demonstrating this concept for the Discovery spaceship in "2001: A Space Odyssey", but Kubrick thought it would have a silly 'putt-putt' effect visually.
19 posted on 10/19/2006 1:42:42 AM PDT by Jhensy
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To: Dallas59

An atomic rocket was tested near Cleveland TX many years ago, probably from the base in LA. 2 women and a boy(Colby)got severe radiation burns but a federal judge hushed it up. Actually the magnetic ring idea for space flight sounded more practical : a superconducting ring about 5mm in cross section and 2-3 km in diameter has a central, offset cabin(thin cables to the ring). Its magnetic field interacts with the solar wind/magnetic field like a sail. Offset it this way and you "mag-sail" outward to mars and beyond, offset it the other way and you drop inward to venus/mercury. Once the su-co current/magnetic dipole is established there is no fuel required, the solar wind is "free". Also the dipole field protects the cabin from charged particles/cosmic rays, sort of a mini-magnetosphere. Sadly enough, NASA didn't show any real interest in the idea, they're all ROCKET SCIENISTS over there, and if it doesn't have BIG BUCKS/FEDERAL PROGRAM written all over it = deep six it...


21 posted on 10/19/2006 2:12:31 AM PDT by timer
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To: Dallas59
"BLAM ... BLAM ... BLAM. God was knocking at the door and he wanted in BAD."
-- on board the atomic spaceship "Michael" in Footfall, by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
23 posted on 10/19/2006 5:19:21 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Dallas59
I'd really like to see them restart the NERVA program.
24 posted on 10/19/2006 5:33:36 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: orionblamblam

Heck, how could I _NOT_ ping you?


28 posted on 10/19/2006 10:12:21 AM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: Dallas59

The nuclear rocket engines developed in the '60's would be more reliable and efficient. And it's starting to look like they're making a comeback.


29 posted on 10/19/2006 10:16:19 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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