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Roh Aide Slams ‘Warlike’ U.S.’ N.Korea Policy
The Chosun Ilbo ^ | 10/19/2006 | Staff

Posted on 10/19/2006 1:37:01 AM PDT by medscribe

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To: ivy

50 times the economy of the north.


Right? I can just imagine how Kim Jung II would use that economy. Are you Korean?


21 posted on 10/19/2006 5:17:29 AM PDT by wolfcreek (A personal attack is the reaction of an exhausted and/or disturbed mind.)
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To: wolfcreek

Why is it our duty to defend 48 million South Koreans, (who are 50 times richer than their northern brethren) from 23 million North Koreans?


22 posted on 10/19/2006 5:20:01 AM PDT by ivy (Ivy's ex bf)
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To: ivy

How about to keep them from becoming the new Nazi Germany with Kimmy as the new Hitler? ( with Nukes) We don't want to have to fight that war all over again.


23 posted on 10/19/2006 5:33:35 AM PDT by wolfcreek (A personal attack is the reaction of an exhausted and/or disturbed mind.)
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To: wolfcreek

Well we've already failed in that.

We should have left the Korean peninsula the second the USSR fell.

US Troops in Korea is a COLD WAR HANGOVER.


24 posted on 10/19/2006 5:40:54 AM PDT by ivy (Ivy's ex bf)
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To: medscribe

Rut Roh!


25 posted on 10/19/2006 5:42:45 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to islam since 1959)
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To: ivy
US Troops in Korea is a COLD WAR HANGOVER.


Maybe but, other deployments, such as in Germany and Japan, have led to creating stable and prosperous allies. We can thank China who, basically, then and now, uses NK as their puppet regime, for creating this mess. You might get John Murtha to agree on pulling out of the KP but, until China comes to terms with the little monster they've created, We need to stay. Trust me, I have I daughter in the USAF and the KP would be the last place I would want her to be but, as in Iraq, the moment We leave, all hell will break loose and We'll be worse off than before.
26 posted on 10/19/2006 6:01:32 AM PDT by wolfcreek (A personal attack is the reaction of an exhausted and/or disturbed mind.)
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To: wolfcreek

It was also time to leave Germany when the USSR fell. Tell me one good reason why US troops are still there?

Bottom line is we need to get out of the vast majority of countries that we are in today.

The only thing militarily we need around the world is a strong Navy.

The only answer I see to the NK problem is this:

China occupies North Korea and deposes Kim, and ends the the nuclear program. The DMZ remains tightly closed. In other words, china has to spend their $$ rebuilding NK, etc.

No immediate border opening to SK (ie, no flood of refugees that will cripple SK. They are not interested in reunification anytime soon).

What does China get in return? Give them a non nuclear Japan and SK (we prevented SK in the 80's from nuclearizing). And give them Taiwan.

From the SK and Japanese point of view, China is the far better option than Kim. The only people to get screwed are the Taiwanese, but China's gotta get something for their effort...and Taiwan has always been part of china.


27 posted on 10/19/2006 6:05:42 AM PDT by ivy (Ivy's ex bf)
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Doesn't your plan seem to favor the Chinese A LOT? The Chinese get NK, Taiwan and two castrated SK and Japan. China would become THE eminent power in the region under your plan, they would have immense power projection over Northeast Asia if they could access North Korea (China would have open access to the Sea of Japan, which would be devastating for both Japan and Russia).

China has always wanted North Korea to be its puppet state, but Kim Jong-il has always been preventing that. If Kim Jong-il falls and a pro-Chinese government replaces him, China will be the ultimate winners in the coup. China wants Kim to fall, but they want Kim to fall in their hands.


28 posted on 10/19/2006 12:13:57 PM PDT by diesel00
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I don't think the CHinese WANT NK (who would?).

Taking care of NK is a monumental task that will cost billions of dollars.

No one wants that job, and for one to take it there must be an incentive.

China hasn't much of a hegemonic history, and the net result of my plan is a much less crazy NK.


29 posted on 10/19/2006 12:16:11 PM PDT by ivy (Ivy's ex bf)
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They're not going to take over North Korea. They just want a cooperative North Korea that will agree to exclusive deals, such as naval ports facing the Sea of Japan, etc. Right now, North Korea doesn't offer China anything but headache. China benefits greatly with a controlled collapse of Kim's regime, but only if the collapse lends way to a pro-Chinese NK government.


30 posted on 10/19/2006 12:21:31 PM PDT by diesel00
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But if you sweeten the pot with Taiwan, a non nuclear Japan and SK (which would entail non-aggression pacts) it might be worth their while.

The only option I see is China somehow taking out Kim.


31 posted on 10/19/2006 12:24:13 PM PDT by ivy (Ivy's ex bf)
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What makes you think Taiwan wants to be part of China. I can tell you from Taiwanese friends I have that, they don't. You talk about these countries like they're commodities that can be bought and sold. We're talking about millions of *human beings* who have as much right to freedom and liberty as you and I do. They also have the right to be protected from the Commies and the Islamfacists.

You also use arguments similar to those of the *Cut and Run* crowd. BTW: You never said if you were Asian or not.
32 posted on 10/19/2006 1:24:31 PM PDT by wolfcreek (A personal attack is the reaction of an exhausted and/or disturbed mind.)
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To: libertylover

And a united Korea could be an even bigger economic powerhouse, but the leadership fears years of struggle integrating the North, so the situation perpetuates itself. And it makes integration appear more and more difficult as the gap between the free South and the enslaved North widens.


33 posted on 10/19/2006 9:01:52 PM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"--Ayn Rand)
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