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COUNTY ORDERS NO-HANDGUN SIGNS OUT OF PARKS (TEXAS)
The Houston Chronicle ^ | 24 October 2006 | Bill Murphy

Posted on 10/24/2006 5:05:58 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

County attorney says people with licenses allowed to carry the arms

Harris County Commissioners Court today ordered the removal of signs banning legally concealed handguns in county parks, after hearing legal advice that the county could not enforce such a ban. County Attorney Mike Stafford's office told the court that the county has been violating state law by banning people with concealed handgun licenses from carrying their guns into parks. A complaint from a resident who saw one of the signs while using a county park prompted the county attorney's office to look into whether it is legal to ban the guns, Stafford said.

"He was a concealed handgun carrier. He wasn't arrested," Stafford said. "His complaint eventually went up the line to us." After state lawmakers authorized concealed handgun licenses in 1995, the county, other public entities and all property owners had the authority to ban handguns from their properties. That changed for public entities in 2003, when the Legislature amended the concealed handgun law. Governments are now prohibited from banning licensed concealed handgun owners from carrying guns on most public properties. The county can ban concealed handgun licensees from bringing guns to parks when high school, college or professional sporting events are held there.

Until now, the county has banned concealed handguns from its lands and buildings, including the County Administration Building on Preston. Stafford said under the 2003 revision to the concealed handgun legislation, the county lacks the authority to make such a sweeping ban. But guns cannot be brought to a courthouse, justice of the peace court, school or a place where a governmental meeting is being held. So some with a concealed handgun license could bring a gun into some county offices, but not those housed in buildings with courts.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; handguns; houston; prohibition; rtkba; signs
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Interesting story for gun owners and CCW licensees.
1 posted on 10/24/2006 5:06:01 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Yes it is and thanks for posting it.


2 posted on 10/24/2006 5:07:00 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Sweet!


3 posted on 10/24/2006 5:11:34 PM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

More interesting for the gun-grabbers amongst us. Good people should be armed where they will, with wits and guns.

If the First Amendment was so infringed as they would the Second Amendment, would we have to read their drivel?


4 posted on 10/24/2006 5:12:57 PM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: Eaker

ping


5 posted on 10/24/2006 5:13:43 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; Joe Brower; DaveLoneRanger

BTTT


6 posted on 10/24/2006 5:14:45 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Cindy
County attorney says people with licenses "allowed" to carry the arms. Well isn't that "special"! I am SO glad that the County "Attorney" has spoken!
7 posted on 10/24/2006 5:17:48 PM PDT by US Navy guy
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County attorney says people with licenses "allowed" to carry the arms.

Yes, caught that. High and mighty, aren't they?

8 posted on 10/24/2006 5:21:30 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
After state lawmakers authorized concealed handgun licenses in 1995, the county, other public entities and all property owners had the authority to ban handguns from their properties. That changed for public entities in 2003, when the Legislature amended the concealed handgun law. Governments are now prohibited from banning licensed concealed handgun owners from carrying guns on most public properties

Well it's debatable that the Legislature intended that lower levels of government be able to ban guns in their facilities. The stated that property owners (or others controlling the property) could post the signs. However the legislature made it clear at the first opportunity (they only meet every other year in regular session) that such was not their intent, and that Mayors, County commissioners, and various low level bureaucrats, did not own the property in question, the people of their jurisdiction did.

Heck it only took Harris county 3 years to come into compliance with state law. AFAIK, the county attorney is still saying he will prosecute those with handguns in their vehicles (sans CHL) despite the action of the legislature to define "traveling", when one could always have a concealed handguns in ones vehicle, to mean "going somewhere, anywhere at all, in your vehicle", under most circumstances.

9 posted on 10/24/2006 5:24:35 PM PDT by El Gato
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"If the First Amendment was so infringed as they would the Second Amendment, would we have to read their drivel?"

Excellent point. I do honor the Constitution, but the courts, the petty local tyrants, the goofy lefty state law-makers, the Federal Government, the weak and frightened have totally changed the rights guaranteed to every American by the Second Amendment. Personally, I see no reason via the Constitution to limit firearms carry, ownership or anything else. When I hear someone lately talking about the Constitution and the sacred 1st Amendment, I get a bit peeved that the same people that would get on a soap box for "free speech" are the same people that have trashed our rights under the 2nd. Without the 2nd, there would be no 1st.
10 posted on 10/24/2006 5:25:50 PM PDT by alarm rider (Casting a large net for new, shiny tag lines...)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

God Bless Texas


11 posted on 10/24/2006 5:29:16 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: alarm rider

Thanks. Pass the word.

If the First Amendment was so infringed as they would the Second Amendment, would we have to read their drivel? Good people should be armed where they will, with wits and guns.


12 posted on 10/24/2006 5:31:50 PM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: US Navy guy

Yep.


13 posted on 10/24/2006 5:33:37 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I grit my teeth everytime I see those signs.

What part of: "All bad guys should assume everyone else is armed," do they not understand?

But no, they insist on advertising a target rich environment. I do take some comfort in my next thought which is, "yeah, well, let them enforce it."

Something Harris County has finally gotten around to acknowledging anyway.

14 posted on 10/24/2006 5:42:10 PM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I dunno. I always thought it was safer for folks on a walk to leave their gun on the sidewalk when entering the park, and pick it back up when they come out. You know, keep the kids in the park safe, right?

(Continuing the thought from the Costco thread).


15 posted on 10/24/2006 5:45:16 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Let's Roll
I thought is the hand gun was concealed, no one would know you had it anyway, unless they have metal detectors in parks. If you need to use the gun your covered under self defense?
16 posted on 10/24/2006 5:48:17 PM PDT by txroadhawg ("To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors." Ronald Reagan)
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To: mylife
God Bless Texas!

If Texas will do what God wants, God WILL bless Texas. Rewarding right and punishing wrong is a good start (not the reverse).

17 posted on 10/24/2006 6:33:43 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I think we need open carry laws
An armed society is a polite society


18 posted on 10/24/2006 6:35:40 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Woohoo! Three cheers for the Lone Star State.


19 posted on 10/24/2006 7:13:49 PM PDT by CountryBumpkin
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To: US Navy guy; MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The Harris County Attorney is doing his job, making sure the law is interpreted correctly and 2nd Amendment rights are still alive for his constituents.

The neat thing about this story is that originated with a request from a citizen. Instead of simply grumbling, he contacted his officials and they responded. That's the way it's supposed to work.


20 posted on 10/24/2006 8:28:24 PM PDT by YCTHouston
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