Posted on 10/26/2006 11:28:10 AM PDT by aculeus
Science bump.
The late Otto Muck might have called this one, as he claimed that the life cycle of the eels was disrupted by the sinking of Atlantis. Of course, the impact of his supposed asteroid might have curtailed their activities quite a bit long before that. ;')Europe's Eels Are Slipping Away, Scientists WarnScientists there reported that the number of juvenile European eels (Anguilla anguilla) reaching rivers from their mid-Atlantic nursery grounds has crashed 99 percent since the 1970s. The closely-related American eel (Anguilla rostrata) and Japanese eel (Anguilla japonica) are also threatened with extinction, experts reported... [T]here are those whose jobs depend on eels, some 25,000 fishermen in Europe alone... [D]ams, pollution, overfishing, invasive parasite species, and ocean warming have been identified as possible causes... Despite its widespread distribution and commercial importance, the life cycle of the European eel remains clouded in mystery... Remarkably, nobody has been able to locate the eels' final destination, although experts believe eels mate and die in the millions somewhere in the Sargasso Sea, a becalmed expanse of the mid-Atlantic Ocean up to three miles (five kilometers) deep. (American eels are also thought to spawn there.)
by James Owen
October 9, 2003
I love it!! Says more than all the evo articles put together.
What I missed out on by not taking zoology I made up for by taking Theology 101.
"...If there were events in the real world that violated evolution--say, a creature that was half mammal, half fish, or fossils occurring out of order in well-dated strata--then the theory evolution would conflict with the evidence...."
Somehow, I have a feeling that such violations would be wildly acclaimed as 'transitional forms'...
"...Every physics experiment we do likewise supports the conservation of momentum, but that doesn't seem to bother you...."
Well, let me carry your analogy a little farther. At one time, Newtonian physics seemed pretty complete, because that's where we live. Approach the speed of light, however, and mass begins to do funny things. Likewise in a lot of 'steady state' situations, there are 'edge effects' so that a system near it's limits does not behave as expected. (From your screen name, I assume you know this, but I am including it for those who may not have your background, and to make sure my argument appears complete in print.)
Despite all our knowledge, despite all we think we know, we are talking about the distant past, here, perhaps as some of us believe, the beginning of time itself. Now, extrapolation near the edges may not be as we expect it. Our problem is that we cannot KNOW if that is so or not, but some insist we DO KNOW. I insist none of us do.
Evolutionists believe what fossils and their intellects tell them. Creationists, while some have intellects just as potent, choose to believe what our Creator tells us. Some of us are just more thoughtful and less confrontational than others.
"You have not accurately portrayed the explanations and responses given on this discussion."
I believe I have. Despite being a Bible-believing Creationist, I do indeed have a normal IQ, perhaps even above average. I also have a talent for understanding even the most convoluted communications and stating (accurately) the bottom line.
Your colleagues have already confirmed some of my claims in their replies, allowing that these discoveries are indeed placed into a template which pre-supposes evolution as fact.
"First of all, I'm not going to call you names. I find the pride and the name-calling more prevalent among the creationists, so I'll leave that to them."
OK - sorry. I've been on many threads which label folks who post and leave as having no courage, or worse. Point taken.
"You said, "no matter what the fossil record shows, it supports evolution." ... A more accurate version of your statement would be, ... "
Careful. I say what I mean. Please don't try to help me be more 'accurate'. I hit it pretty much on the head, according to your very own words, in the very same reply! :
"...we must constantly start with the premise that evolution is involved, or else all we have left is divine intervention. "
Thank you. You've reiterated my point that the alternative to inquiry is simply pawning everything off on "God did it". Well, I happen to believe that God was involved. I'm also intensely curious about the mechanism that He used, and I believe it's not beyond His capacity to set a billions-of-years process in motion to bring us about.
And I believe, as the Bible states, that it is not beyond God's capability to say "Let there be..." and there was.
Bingo, taxesareforever.
SlowBoat, I held your view for a VERY short time when I was young. However, I felt it smacked of compromise with the world, and abandoned it pretty quickly.
I don't the Bible teaches that our salvation hangs on how we view the theory of evolution, but I do believe being the brunt of scorn because I believe God created everything immediately is not a bad thing.
God says His ways are not our ways. The fact that unbelievers have to believe in evolution or the big bang, or some such in order to deny God, makes me lean toward a literal understanding of Genesis. Please note, I did NOT say that all TOE supporters are unbelievers.
And I believe that God gave us our senses and our reason for a purpose. I've seen the arguments on both sides, and the evidence before me argues more for an Earth that is 5 billion years old, and for mankind having evolved, than it does for an Earth that is merely 6000 years old.
People spend far too much time parsing the Bible, trying to define every part of the material world by it. It is about our spiritual lives, and about our relationship with God through Jesus.
I promised myself I wouldn't argue on the crevo threads any more. Now I remember why. Enjoy. Say what you like about or to me. I've said my peace.
I'm trying not to laugh.
You may want to do a little research. Certainly wouldn't hurt.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52588
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