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To: Tailgunner Joe
Anyway this is just Russian BS, trying to make Georgia look bad in the eyes of the world and hoping to make NATO run away in distaste.

I am so tired of Russia. I wish it would all go away and leave everyone alone.

5 posted on 10/26/2006 7:15:05 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Then what to do with hawkish Georgian Defense Minister, who promised to celebrate this New Year in Sukhum or resign?


6 posted on 10/26/2006 8:58:12 PM PDT by vargan
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To: MarMema; GarySpFc; RusIvan
"Nice Peaceful and Tolerant Georgians"

Facing Up To Intolerance in Georgia

Georgians have traditionally prided themselves on their tolerance towards people of other races and other creeds. But they have not always lived up to that perception of themselves. In the late 1980s Zviad Gamsakhurdia promulgated a vision of "Georgia for Georgians" that was enthusiastically espoused by his supporters and impelled many non-Georgians to flee the republic in fear or reprisals or retribution. More recently, religious minorities, in particular Jehovah's Witnesses, have been the target of violence.

Nor is intolerance confined to religious belief, Berdzenishvili continued, it also extends to inter-ethnic relations and to what could be termed local patriotism on the micro-level. He noted that Georgians consider themselves superior to other ethnic groups to the point that, "as any family will confirm," it is considered "a tragedy" if a daughter marries an Armenian, or a son marries a Jewish girl.

That sense of superiority, he said, is extended to an individual's immediate geographical milieu, giving rise to animosity between the population of various districts: for example, a resident of the Tbilisi district of Veri will tell you in all seriousness that it is impossible to find a single decent human being in the Tbilisi suburb of Vake.

Berdzenishvili suggested that the most disturbing thing is that there has been no attempt by either the present Georgian leadership or the Georgian Orthodox Church to counter this way of thinking or offer an alternative. "To affirm that Georgia today is a tolerant society," he said, "is to close one's eyes to the way people treat Zviadists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Methodists, Baptists and unmarried mothers [...] Georgia is an intolerant society and it is our so-called intelligentsia, which is a bastion of intolerance, that sets the tone in this respect."

Djgerenaia for his part rejected the idea that Georgians historically were more tolerant than they are today as a myth that has never been proven. He argued that tolerance is a luxury that only a strong state can afford, and historically Georgia has never been a strong state for an extended period of time. He suggested that Georgians adduce the "myth" of their tolerance in order to avoid facing up to tensions in inter-ethnic relations or between various creeds. He also implied that some prominent figures within the Georgian Orthodox Church may bear some measure of responsibility for growing religious tolerance as a result of the emphasis they place on the role of the Georgian church in Georgian history as contrasted with other faiths.

Georgia for Georgians, how nice. Screaming this sound they were doing national cleansing in Abkhazia and Southern Ossetia.

8 posted on 10/26/2006 10:10:05 PM PDT by vargan
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To: MarMema
It was Georgian ultra-nationalizm the stone that felt into the water. Everything else - NATO accession, "love" for America, Russian-Georgian conflicts are just ripples on surface.
10 posted on 10/26/2006 10:32:24 PM PDT by vargan
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To: MarMema

Anyway this is just Russian BS, trying to make Georgia look bad in the eyes of the world and hoping to make NATO run away in distaste. ==

How you refuse those stubborn facts:

1. Georgia started 2 ethnic wars with Akhazians and Osetians in 1992. Accually at same time when Yugoslavian wars began.
2. Georgia drove out about 200 thousands Russians from her territory. They used slogan: "suitcase-railstation-Russia".
3. Georgia overfled Russia with her criminals and illegals using "novisa border regime with CIS countries".
4. Georgia uses american dole money to pay to Iran. So your tax-payer money goes directly to "crazy Mullahs".
5. Russia saved georgian asses form Turkish Empire. If Russia didn't do that, we wouldn't have that discussion at all today beacuse of absentcy the subject (Georgia). Georgia repayed Russia with extreme ungratitude.

After all I just wish you Marmema to learn history and do not make you idols of Georgians. America will be the new "opressor" of Georgia if you won't learn the Russia' mistakes.


19 posted on 10/27/2006 6:26:06 AM PDT by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: MarMema

Russia has plenty of her citizens in Abkhazia and Ossetia and will protect them by any means including military. Georgia and Saaka may well piss off.


26 posted on 10/27/2006 3:13:30 PM PDT by asd145
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