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The Neglect Of Libertarians
National Journal ^ | 10/27/06 | Clive Crook

Posted on 10/27/2006 11:13:01 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile

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Comment #121 Removed by Moderator

To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"Yes, monogamy denotes a biological procreation homosexuals are incapable of with each other..."

Genetic monogamy, yes.

I was referring to sexual monogamy. Even Andrew Sullivan has admitted that sexual monogamy is not expected (or desired) by "married" homosexual couples.

Allowing homosexual "marriages" sends the message that sexual fidelity is an option, not a requirement. I don't believe that to be a healthy message.

122 posted on 10/29/2006 7:13:02 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Blackirish

The fundies will still be around, merrily reproducing, when all the pedophilia, pot & porn libertarians are feeding the worms and forgotten.


123 posted on 10/29/2006 7:13:03 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Your only purpose here on Free Republic is to bash the conservatives...


Word is spreading throughout FR that your pretty creepy ...worry about your own reputation....stay away from my posts.
124 posted on 10/29/2006 7:22:10 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: robertpaulsen
I was referring to sexual monogamy.

I do realize what you are saying.

On the points of logic...

In secular terms of mammalian reproductive biology, "sex" requires a penis and vagina, the act of coitus; something the "homosexuals" cannot do with each other.

"Monogamy" is also a term that denotes biological reproduction, so that is illogical to apply it to homosexuals as well...

Even the term "homosexual" is illogical.

125 posted on 10/29/2006 7:22:32 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: AppyPappy

Ah, youth.


126 posted on 10/29/2006 7:22:53 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Blackirish
Word is spreading throughout FR that your pretty creepy ...

You are creepy, you advocate everything the Left wants...

127 posted on 10/29/2006 7:23:49 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: JCEccles

when all the pedophilia, pot & porn libertarians are feeding the worms and forgotten.



Amp up the meds bro....



128 posted on 10/29/2006 7:25:26 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: Blackirish
And those bizzaro fundies drink stricken and play with snakes..... When you don't know what your talking about...just shut up.

"There you go again." (Ronald Reagan)

Your only purpose here on Free Republic is to bash the conservatives...

The only way the Left can win is to destroy the Republican Party from within. They have lost the public argument and cannot win on the issues, they have to have despotic judges do it for them and they have to undermine conservatives in the Republican primary.

129 posted on 10/29/2006 7:27:50 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Blackirish
The fundamental problem with libertarianism is that it is strictly a "one off" exercise in futility.

It is all about maximizing personal indulgence and pleasure, which is anything but forward-looking. Libertarians tend not to reproduce, because they view children as a nuisance, an expense that would require personal sacrifice and severely cramp their lifestyles.

Most people of religious faith instinctively reject libertarianism, not because they do not agree with the idea that government should be small and limited, but because they suspect that libertarians want to keep government small and limited only so they can be free to gorge on society's seed corn today while flipping the middle finger at anyone who dares to suggest that we ought to be thinking about next year's harvest.

131 posted on 10/29/2006 7:37:05 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Blackirish
Hey stay away from me creep.... really stay away or I'll take it to the mods.

I already did... you like those personal attacks...

132 posted on 10/29/2006 7:44:49 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: JCEccles

After acuussing small L liberarions of supporting child molesters... commies..murderers....now you want to debate?To you I'm the enemy.....there is no debate here ..you hate my guts.


133 posted on 10/29/2006 7:59:22 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: JCEccles

After acuussing small L liberarions of supporting child molesters... commies..murderers....now you want to debate?To you I'm the enemy.....there is no debate here ..you hate my guts.


134 posted on 10/29/2006 7:59:28 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: JTN
This line gets trotted out every two years.

Not by me!

I'm no Party hack. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the danger in allowing Democrats to regain power.

135 posted on 10/29/2006 8:50:34 AM PST by airborne (If Democrats win in November, America will suffer.)
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To: robertpaulsen

Morals are taught by/learned from family and church and a moral code is adopted by each individual. It is to be hoped that the JudeoChristian code would be what everyone chooses, but we see daily evidence that this is not so. Look at our so-called leadership, who exempt themselves from most all the laws they pass... and the executive branch which ignores laws when it suits them, especially to their own.

As a SOCIETY, we have numerous ways to deal with those who transgress a common set of mores. Shunning is the harshest and most effective.

The ONLY time government needs to be involved is when a person's transgression involves an outside party who has NOT consented to be involved.

As far as the term "sacrifice" is concerned, I hear it all too often. Always in the context of "We must make a National Sacrifice and give up our (fill in the liberal sacrifice du jour) for the common good." Yet somehow, the liberal "leadership" (Gore, Kerry, et al) are never expected to make THEIR contribution to the National Sacrifice. Some pigs is more equal than others.

People STILL care what others think of them, but most folks have lowered their expectations of what to expect from others and their expectations are met. With a vengeance.

"Sin" may be wrong, but unless it crosses the line, as I noted above, it is most assuredly NOT the province of government to deal with it.


136 posted on 10/29/2006 11:41:35 AM PST by dcwusmc (The government is supposed to fit the Constitution, NOT the Constitution fit the government!)
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To: Blackirish
Honestly it kinda creeps me with the social rights obsession with queers ....I really don't care about them...unless it has to do with a couple of cute chicks... what do I care what they do ?

The social right believes differently than the moral libertarians what sort of foundations a culture needs to prosper and reproduce itself in its children. It is a different view of human nature.

Moral libertarians think society will move along just fine in a libertine manner--homosexual behavior being but one example of that. Social christians do not. Hayeck articulated a libertarian approach that suggests the social christians may well be right, although he leaves open the possiblity that they are right for the wrong reasons. Certainly the evidence of our eyes since the 1960's is evidence thereof.

I think, though, that the obsession is of the left. The only reason that particular sin is high on the social christian's radar is because that sin is the one the left is working to get everyone to celebrate these days. Most especially, we worry about our kids and what they will be taught in school on the subject. So what you see is pushback. In a sense, it's a battle we still might win and so it is fought. If, however, you start with the assumption that no moral battle regarding sexual behavior is really worth fighting, then fighting it is, I suppose, creepy.

We, the social Christians, have utterly lost most of the other societal-level battles regarding morality. On most counts, the moral libertarians stand triumphant and virtually unchallenged. Part of the measure of that is how anyone concerned with moral issues may be regarded as creepy--and everyone nods. That, perhaps more than anything else, reflects the triumph of moral libertarianism.

137 posted on 10/29/2006 12:27:49 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: LibertarianInExile
"Neo-conned"
138 posted on 10/29/2006 3:25:20 PM PST by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Why do you feel the need to include leftist accomplishments such as NCLB and the Medicare Benefit in a list of "conservatiuve accomplishgments"?


139 posted on 10/30/2006 10:59:30 AM PST by jmc813 (.)(.)
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