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To: Liberty Wins
Amen!

And, in Defeating Darwinism, Phillip Johnson points out the difference between "matter" and "information." He even quotes George C. Williams, who Johnson describes as having done "more than anyone to develop the gene selection theory". Johnson offers the following quote from Williams:

"Evolutionary biologists have failed to realize that they work with two more or less incommensurable domains: that of information and that of matter....The gene is a package of information, not an object. The pattern of base pairs in a DNA molecule specifies the gene. But the DNA molecule is the medium, it's not the message. Maintaining this distinction between the medium and the message is absolutely indispensable to clarity of thought about evolution."

When I first read this quote from Williams, I immediately thought of the Apostle John's words, "In the beginning was the Word". Then--a few paragraphs later, Johnson mentioned that same Gospel passage!

VERY interesting!

60 posted on 10/28/2006 6:47:14 PM PDT by milagro
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To: milagro

Well, here's what gets me. An evolutionary explanation for all moral conduct requires that such conduct be genetically determined. Morality rides on the genes, as it were, and one generation passes on favorable morality to the next, according to the evolutionists.

If moral virtues are genetic — a random combination of molecules, why do we see fluctuations from generation to generation in moral standards? Why have we seen an explosion of illegitimate births and single parenthood in the current generation - - is that the result of inherited genes or the result of a change in moral standards?

If illegitimate births have increased through the process of natural selection, then evolutionary forces have "selected" rather odd behavior patterns to effect the survival of the species. I mean, don’t those dunderhead genes know two parents are better than one?


63 posted on 10/28/2006 6:52:27 PM PDT by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: milagro
"...But the DNA molecule is the medium, it's not the message. Maintaining this distinction between the medium and the message is absolutely indispensable to clarity of thought about evolution."

So very true.... Thank you so much, milagro, for this "indispensible" insight!

66 posted on 10/28/2006 6:57:46 PM PDT by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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To: milagro
"Evolutionary biologists have failed to realize that they work with two more or less incommensurable domains: that of information and that of matter....The gene is a package of information, not an object. The pattern of base pairs in a DNA molecule specifies the gene. But the DNA molecule is the medium, it's not the message.

That is a very interesting paradox, and it seems one that is apparently invisible to the evolutionary biologists.
74 posted on 10/28/2006 7:23:37 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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