Skip to comments.Be careful, ladies – it's his bathroom, too
Posted on 10/28/2006 8:57:05 PM PDT by Dan Evans
New York OKs crossdressers to use facilities of their choice.
If you happen to be passing through Grand Central Station and nature calls, you just might want to hold it until you get home, because, this week, officials with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority decided that transgendered people have the right to use the bathroom men's or women's of their choice on New York's subway system.
Helena Stone: "I'm a 24-hour woman."
The agreement was reached following a lawsuit filed by Helena Stone formerly known as Henry McGuinness who was arrested twice in 2005 and once earlier this year for disorderly conduct after using the women's restroom at Grand Central Station.
Stone, 70, who is a telephone technician for Verizon, worked regularly at the transit facility when the arrests happened.
A police officer allegedly called Stone "a freak, a weirdo and the ugliest woman in the world" and warned, "If I ever see you in the women's bathroom, I'm going to arrest you."
Stone, who claimed to be forced to use a cup after the arrests instead of a bathroom, filed a complaint with New York City's Human Rights Commission and became a cause célèbre with the sexual-minority community in the city.
"That's the only bathroom I use," Stone told a rally. "That's who I am."
The agreement reached by MTA is similar to a policy instituted by the Human Rights Commission for government and other public bathrooms in the city. MTA will pay Stone $2,000 in damages for legal fees, according to the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund, which handled the case. MTA also agreed to conduct transgender-sensitivity training for employees.
"I'm thrilled with it," Stone said of the agreement.
Not all transit riders shared Stone's enthusiasm, however.
"I would not like that," Gloria David, a retiree from Connecticut told the New York Daily News. "I have nothing against 'gay' men or drag queens, but they can use the men's room. I just don't want to go to the bathroom next to a man."
Concern was expressed by another rider that sexual predators could now dress as women and lurk in women's restrooms.
For Rena Gantz, a 23-year-old college student, the settlement was a non-issue.
"It doesn't bother me because it is a reality," she said. "If they believe they are women, they should be treated as one."
And that suits Stone just fine.
"I'm a 24-hour woman," Stone declared. "I just feel like a woman and I like to wear women's clothes."
This is just wrong. Biology determines one's sex. It is not a social construct or individual preference. This country is going to hell in a handbasket!
Dude, I'm going transgender!
When I was young and dumb I remember wondering why we needed a law making it a crime to impersonate a woman.
Obviously, perverts gawking at women in public restrooms is just one of the many reasons.
But I just love it when I read about these logical liberal collisions. Where is N.O.W? Same place they were during the Clinton administration.
"This is just wrong. Biology determines one's sex. It is not a social construct or individual preference. This country is going to hell in a handbasket!"
Remember, in the minds of liberals reality is what they think it is at that moment.
He's gonna be found beaten to death in a bathroom stall in the near future.
The murder weapons? Handbags.
Here's a link with a photo of the "woman" (I still don't know how to post photos on FR like you experts do!)
He/She gives Helen Thomas a run for her money.
By the way, ladies, we really don't want to use the French moisturizing sea shells in the "for company" basket on the toilet. That stuff will NOT remove engine grime in this or any other reality.
But if we need to wash, and there's no other soap or Lava, it's going to be done. It's got to be done.
And we're going to dry on the worthless, almost-waterproof, velveteen "company" towels too.
Wow did I ever guess wrong before my other post.
Now that I've read the article, I gotta say I can understand why women might not want some mutilated headcase with XY chromosomes peeing on their accomodations...
OK Rena. I believe I'm the junior Senator from New York. Does that entitle me to take over Hillary's office and cast her votes? I really, sincerely believe I'll be a better senator than her. And, as you said, because I beleive, I am.
The title of the thread had me thinking that it would be another "toilet seat position" thread. I could only wish that were true. :)
As a woman, this guy makes Ms. Thomas into a beauty contestant. As an old guy, he looks like he should be acting in a horror movie.
Good God, that's sick. Would you like for me to teach you how to post photos?
Are you sure you'd want to after that picture?? :)
this is the second story this week about the women's bathroom and both of them are shocking... the first post was the one where men are kneeling on the toilet in the women's bathroom and waiting to put a gun to the woman's face when she enters and make her undress and then take her clothes and her money and have ample time to escape and flee
50 years too late bump.
But I don't know how to make it clickable.
Go to the plumbing set up for your plumbing.
He's gonna be found beaten to death in a bathroom stall in the near future.
The murder weapons? Handbags.
"Sensistivity training"= Re-education camp
Thanks much, I sent a private Freepmail.
The "Gay Bigendered Tranny Whatever" lobby really sets themselves back with crap like this. The gay men I know just laugh at the tranny-types (and even NAMBLA), which just sets their resentment level higher.
They have their eggs in one political basket, know it, and just have to ride it out with extremism.
Which is a shame, because there are some decent Log Cabins who sit square with the rest of us.
You ain't kiddin'.
Handbags... stilettos babe.
When I finally read the whole story, yes, "eeew" was exactly what I said.
As long as the French soap is in the shape of a square right???
This is typical ditzy college thinking. We've got a petition going around now on my campus for 'safe bathrooms' for transgendered people. I want to know how many friggin' transgendered people are there? There can't possibly be enough to make the school take away money from, let me think, funding the libraries, science labs, or computer labs, to build additional bathrooms.
If a person has had the full operation, then I guess they need to come into the appropriate bathroom. But I don't want to see some guy w/a wig and a penis in my bathroom. Sorry. Call me insensitive.
I wonder what the university is going to do when some woman gets raped in a bathroom by a guy pretending to be transgendered?
Thanks Jaysun. I figured out the bold, italic, size
Any other tricks, especially active links like this:
would be great. Thanks
I think a part of being homosexual is feeling "victimized" by being so. So, as a result, they tend to congregate in urban areas, set up a "community", then laugh at each others' extreme behavior.
That one could call themselves "gay" and mean it is really an abuse of the language. Most I know are miserable and only use politics to lash out. The etiology I cannot speak for.
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You're getting there. It worked, nonetheless.
I'll play some more tomorrow until I get ti right.
Reminds me a little of a blond Will Sampson (Chief from "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest")
How'd YOU like it if some usually-well-behaved WOMAN decided to dress like a MAN and ogle (or laugh at) YOU in YOUR bathroom??? PLEASE... we have enough genuine perverts out there without us straight and normal people pretending to join them! Besides, it's too clean and perfume-y in a ladies' restroom for a straight fellow to feel comfortable there.
You have been warned.
The lawsuit will come when the city is held liable for a rape by a female impersonator-impersonator.
And leave the toilet seat up!
This is why George Bush's toadying after Ted Kennedy who is a moral and political pervert and his pandering to Bill Clinton who is also a pervert, also in both respects, is so damaging to the nation both politically and morally.
The right to be intolerant should be considered one of the foundation stones of our liberties. Note carefully, I did not say the government had a right to be intolerant nor do I condone violence in furtherance of personal intolerance. And I concede that even private intolerance, when based on race or religion, edges on dangerous ground. But for the government to control behavior even in these realms of great sensitivity is to invite cultural fascism on a massive governmental level.
Under these circumstances of government imposed political correctness it would be impossible to ostracize, shame, ridicule, or humiliate those society needs to keep in check. If our government, acting out of misguided political correctness, prevents us from performing these tasks, the risk of government fascism is greater than the damage which might be done through private, nonviolent, intolerance.
Before political correctness, the government permitted us to be intolerant of homosexuals. The day might soon come when the government prevents us from being intolerant of pederasts. The government has long since prohibited us in much of our private affairs from being intolerant on the basis of race or religion. But not all of our private affairs are controlled by the government in this respect, the government still permits us in many jurisdictions, for example, to be intolerant on the basis of race about whom we will accept as tenants in our private homes.
The danger of the government legislating tolerance in private affairs has been amply demonstrated in the fiascoes arising out of sexual-harassment laws where the government has substituted a bizarre and subjective standard for the millennia tested give-and-take arising out of the war between the sexes. In the old days, when a man overstepped his bounds, it was handled privately and he may well have been "ostracized, shamed, ridiculed and humiliated." Today his employer might well have to forfeit millions of dollars and all other employees might well have to undergo brainwashing courses until they are fully educated to Big Brother's new standards-or more realistically, absence of standards. Which is worse, private intolerance or political correctness?
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