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U.S. Sustainable Energy Corp. demos economical fuel for deisel and gas engine (Video link)
http://www.ussec.us/index.php?page=87 ^ | 10/31/2006 | USSE

Posted on 11/01/2006 11:38:10 AM PST by Rodm

U.S. Sustainable Energy Corp. Announces an International Live Web Broadcast, Demonstration and Validation of Its Blockbuster Technology and Unique Biofuels at City Hall in Vidalia, LA Monday October 30, 10:20 am ET

Company Partners With Multicast Media Technologies, Inc. and Akamai Technologies, Inc. to Offer Global Live Satellite-to-Internet Viewing of This Historic Event

NATCHEZ, MS--(MARKET WIRE)--Oct 30, 2006 -- U.S. Sustainable Energy Corp. (Other OTC:LFZA.PK - News) ("USSEC") today announced that it will offer a live Internet broadcast of the previously announced demonstration and validation of its technology to be shown live at 11:00 CST am on Oct. 31st, 2006. Streaming video will come direct from City Hall in Vidalia, LA as the event unfolds. Interested parties can view this live event while it unfolds simply by visiting our direct weblink: http://www.ussec.us/lastellalighting/

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biofuels; energy; greenenergy; greenpower; renewenergy
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To: camle
55 bushels per acre. even if you get 100% conversion (55 gallons per acre

Since when does 1 bu = 1 gallon? Care to check that math?

21 posted on 11/01/2006 12:03:06 PM PST by Toby06 (Happy camper.)
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To: Recon Dad

see 19 for my math using one million acres. If you only have supply for 29 thousand cars per year, then you supply cannot meet demand, hence a rise in prices. if this stuff is so wonderful, then folks will demand it and the price will increase further until it stabilizes at just below oil based fuel.

this is because the main advantage if cost, and with short supplies, the price will rise as far as the market and settle at a level where people will still see an advantage from alternatives - just below normal prices.


22 posted on 11/01/2006 12:05:13 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Toby06

I was assuming that that wuold be the maximum yield. I know, and you probabbly do as well, that actual yield will be far below that since you cannot obtain more than one bushel of fuel from one bushel of product can you?

how many bushels of apples do you need to get one gallon of ceider?


23 posted on 11/01/2006 12:06:52 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Rodm

I checked and they said a barrel is 42 gallons and the fuel you get might get out of the 42 gallons could vary quite a bit. The number I saw for 87 Octane was 28 gallons.


24 posted on 11/01/2006 12:06:59 PM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: camle

Do the math right.

The article stated 1 Bushel produced 5 gallons of fuel.

THe demonstration site listed an average of 50 bushels per acre.

That is 250 gallons per acre. Per year (more is you get 2 crops from the same land).

Burning 5 gallons per week (150 miles per week @ 30 mpg)would allow 1 acre to supply fuel for 1 vehicle for 50 weeks.


25 posted on 11/01/2006 12:09:01 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: Recon Dad; Toby06

so you're talking a 2/3 yield. that means that even more land would be needed per car than my calculations - admittedly biased.


26 posted on 11/01/2006 12:09:15 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: camle

A bushel is roughly 10 gallons, btw. My clamming license is good for a half bushel of clams a day, They say we can fill a 5 gallon bucket to just below the reinforcement rings, about 2" from the top.


(OK, so it's 9.3092 gallons)


27 posted on 11/01/2006 12:11:21 PM PST by Toby06 (Happy camper.)
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To: camle
Nothing new here!

In the old days we used to use horses to sow and reap oats.

As the yields became smaller everyone thought the solution might lie in farming more acerage. That lead to raising more horses to do the work. More horses ate more oats and also required that more land be set aside for pasture. In the end the yield went down again up until the time when everyone purchased a tractor. Then if mother nature cooperated, the yield went right through the roof!

Nowdays with the cost of fuel and machinery, we need to get the yield up so that we can purchase more fuel for our larger tractors, and to pay off larger loans.

Have you noticed how when things change, they seem to remain the same?
28 posted on 11/01/2006 12:11:53 PM PST by An Old Man (USMC 1956 1960)
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To: Bryan24

who only burns five gallons per week? I didn't do that when I lived a mile from work! I burn a tankful of gas (14 gallons) per week, maybe a tad more, and most people have longer commutes than I.

but even if we use your figures, one acre per car per year, there are how many cars in the US? 150 million? how soon before you can have a significant portion of that acerage in production?


29 posted on 11/01/2006 12:12:49 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: camle
camle,

I think you missed the post where they get 5 gallons of diesel for every bushel of soybeans.

So, 50 bushels per acre * 5gal/bus = 250gal/acre

One question not answered is how often can you harvest the crops?

Is it only once a year?
30 posted on 11/01/2006 12:13:43 PM PST by Gvl_M3
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To: An Old Man

you are so correct! prices will rise to fill demand, costs will rise to meet prices. adn around and around we go.


31 posted on 11/01/2006 12:14:55 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Rodm

I like the idea of bio fuels and think that E85 or flex fuels are the future to explore NOW. To bad someone didn't get some folks on this press conference that don't look like slick operators. They look poorly prepared and their testing system could have been done on a film and presented to the group showing the vehicles used in the test. This is the difference between a great presentation and this one. They may have the best technology and the worst sales presentation. Time will tell if they win some business.


32 posted on 11/01/2006 12:15:53 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: Toby06

2.7 billion X 5 = 13 billion gallons if you use all the soybean and I sure we can grow alot more.


The distribution tables for US soybeans for 2002/3 (preliminary) show that of 2.793 billion bushels of soybean consumption, 65% (1.615 billion bushels) went for crushing into soy meal and soy oil, 42% went to exports (1.045 billion bushels), and 5% went to seed, feed and residual (133 million bushels). For 2003/04, the USDA is forecasting a decline in crushings to 1.485 billion bushels (59%), a decline in exports to 890 million bushels (36%), and a slight reduction in seed/feed/residuals to 129 million bushels (5%).


33 posted on 11/01/2006 12:15:55 PM PST by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: camle

I burn 10 gallons every 11-12 days. I have a 17 mile commute, 1 way.

Did it occur to you that many, many people might buy smaller commuter cars if they got 50 mpg and the fuel was naturally produced?

Did it occur to you that we might have a MIX of cars on the road, daily commuters going bio-diesel and weekend vehicles using petroleum?

Not every vehicle has to run on the same type of fuel.


34 posted on 11/01/2006 12:17:08 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: Gvl_M3

They only get one crop per year here in North Alabama. I'm sure some climates might could get 2.


35 posted on 11/01/2006 12:19:02 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: Gvl_M3; Bryan24

Bryan24 says that you can get 2 crops per year. Farmers here in CT usually get three cuttings of hay, and I wouldn't know how this translates, but I have little reason to doubt him.

My worries about this are many. I was just reading a boating mag yesteerday and they expressed concern about E10 fuel (10%Ethanol) which many marinas are converting to. Apparently it raises heck with marine engines, and causes more corrosion if internal parts.

People are talking about how great E85 is. I shudder to think!

Now I have no idea how bad soy gas is compared to E10 or regular unleaded, but I've seen 'miracle fuels' come and go, and seen the damage they do to engines.

And I think the total cost of this is going to evolve into a lot more than 50 cents a gallon.


36 posted on 11/01/2006 12:19:44 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: camle

Watch the video, this fuel lubs the cyclinder and burn cool


37 posted on 11/01/2006 12:22:20 PM PST by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: camle

I mistyped. I meant to type "if you can get more than 1 crop per year".

I'm sure some climates can. I don't think North Alabama can get 2 soybean crops per year. I know they can't with cotton.


38 posted on 11/01/2006 12:22:31 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: Bryan24
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You are trying to debate a mixture of bad math and bad logic. Trust me, i am not a fan of ethanol, but I don't see any proble with replacing some of the current petrodiesel use with biodiesel. It's currently being done profitably, too.

39 posted on 11/01/2006 12:24:12 PM PST by Toby06 (Happy camper.)
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To: Bryan24

we do have 50 mpg cars on the road today - a lot of them hybrids. People just don't seem to like them. I average 17-20 mpg with the GT, and about the same with the Jeep. That isn't bad mileage (Jag gets between 4-8) considering. Most people I know drive further and burn more gas than I.

adn if you have a mix of different-fuel cars, then you'd have to have a mix of different-fuel gas stations to support them. Deisel cars didn't take over the market (like we were told) in part because the fuel delivery infrastructure isn't there. 30 years later it still isn't.

And deisel is far more common than exotic plant-based fuel is.


40 posted on 11/01/2006 12:24:34 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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