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China saving too much money: Bush
AFP ^ | November 1 2006

Posted on 11/01/2006 12:09:25 PM PST by jmc1969

US President George W. Bush said today that he hoped China would transform from a country where people "hoard the money they have" into one where people buy large amounts of US products.

In an interview with conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh, Mr Bush said China should become "a society in which there's consumers. Because now they're a society of too many savers".

"If we can encourage China to become a country of consumers, you can imagine what it would mean for US producers and manufacturers to have access to that market," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; economy; hoarding; india
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1 posted on 11/01/2006 12:09:27 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

Lotta "ifs" in that scenario...


2 posted on 11/01/2006 12:15:51 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (At worst the Pope's comments might cause a "war of words" but mohammedans prefer a "war over words".)
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"If we can encourage China to become a country of consumers, you can imagine what it would mean for US producers and manufacturers to have access to that market,"

OMFG. He said that?

3 posted on 11/01/2006 12:18:31 PM PST by Shermy
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To: jmc1969
Have to respectfully disagree with the CiC here... there's no way any free trade agreement with China would even increase demand for American goods in China. The average Chinese person simply doesn't make enough money to buy anything made in the USA. This is further exacerbated by the fact that the Chinese can make any consumer good that might be produced in the USA for far cheaper in China.
4 posted on 11/01/2006 12:19:38 PM PST by pnh102
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To: jmc1969
"And the reason why they're saving so much money is because there's not a pension plan or a legitimate health care system. And so, therefore, people hoard the money they have in anticipating a bad day," said the president.

"If we can encourage China to become a country of consumers..."

5 posted on 11/01/2006 12:20:20 PM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Shermy

why did Rush even ask him this? the average worker in china makes just enough to survive, they aren't "saving" anything. they do have a middle class that is growing.

and what US goods are their consumers going to buy, that are made in the united states? a few cars maybe, but for how long before we send that manufacturing there too.


6 posted on 11/01/2006 12:22:36 PM PST by oceanview
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To: jmc1969

They are consumers of our debt. I'd leave it alone.


7 posted on 11/01/2006 12:25:09 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: monkeywrench

Bush is out of his mind or the unilateral free traders have gotten his ear.

India and China in no way practice free trade. Their governments, like most, look at national interests as a whole, not specific industries funding specific parties, say like the money services behind the Dem's interest in strip mining America for "free trade."

If China becomes a so-called "consumer" nation they will institute practices which continue to favor China. That's not the current American way, but it is the smart and patriotic way.


8 posted on 11/01/2006 12:25:39 PM PST by Shermy
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To: oceanview

"why did Rush even ask him this?"

I don't know but the answer was scary.


9 posted on 11/01/2006 12:27:01 PM PST by Shermy
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To: jmc1969
President Bush is correct. From my old archives. Craig S. Smith, March 30, 1998, The Wall Street Journal:

China squirrels more than half of that [1997 Capital Surplus of $67 billion] away into foreign reserves which are invested abroad. Chinese companies funnel much of the rest directly overseas through bank transfers - sometimes skirting Chinese capital restrictions.
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Usually, however, developing countries invest their capital in their own growing economies. And some Chinese officials believe that's what China should be doing, too. One former Chinese central bank official calls it "scandalous" that a country of poor peasants is financing investments of an industrialized power such as the United States."

10 posted on 11/01/2006 12:27:15 PM PST by Alia
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To: jmc1969

Don't agree with him. They are saving a lot because they started with such a small capital base.


11 posted on 11/01/2006 12:29:04 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Shermy

Rush was pretty quiet during that spiel. He must've been stunned. I was.


12 posted on 11/01/2006 12:29:15 PM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: jmc1969

Pres speaks truth, but he is about a light year ahead of current common understanding of economics. It will be hard to get the Chinese to go on a spending spree since so many have fairly distinct memories of their parents telling them how rough it can get at any moment.


13 posted on 11/01/2006 12:29:41 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA)
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To: oceanview
they aren't "saving" anything

Oh, yes they are. The rate of return to the individual is awful in comparison to other countries.

14 posted on 11/01/2006 12:29:50 PM PST by Alia
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I can see it now- the dems will be squawking that President Bush is thinking about 'invading' China to steal their savings accounts.

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15 posted on 11/01/2006 12:32:12 PM PST by CottShop (http://sacredscoop.com)
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"This is further exacerbated by the fact that the Chinese can make any consumer good that might be produced in the USA for far cheaper in China."

Tell the president that all the Chinese are saving their money to buy Escalades and bling.


16 posted on 11/01/2006 12:34:30 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Obama in 08)
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To: RightWhale
Your point is true and well articulated. Nonetheless, in terms of GDP, China is going to lose out in contrast/comparison to other countries, unless and until it loosens its restrictions on HOW Chinese can invest and save.

Why can't individual Chinese choose, personally, their own investment vehicles throughout the world? Chinese Government and their "restrictions". Those restrictions funnel all individual savings into "investments abroad".

17 posted on 11/01/2006 12:39:00 PM PST by Alia
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Tell the president that all the Chinese are saving their money to buy Escalades and bling.

If you know any second generation Chinese-Americans, you know how true this is. Except they prefer Mercedes and Lexus to Escalades; and diamonds and Rolexes to gold chain bling.

18 posted on 11/01/2006 12:40:21 PM PST by anymouse
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To: anymouse

we aren't talking about chinese americans, we are talking about the chinese in china.

they like Buicks, for now. But once Chinese auto production ramps up, they won't anymore - until GM starts making Buicks in china.


19 posted on 11/01/2006 12:44:13 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Moonman62

they buy that debt to maintain their currency peg - which is the basis for keeping their export driven economy going.

the chinese are smart, they need another 20 years of this to suck all new capital investment for tech and manufacturing into china, leaving the US with only services and government.


20 posted on 11/01/2006 12:45:58 PM PST by oceanview
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